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#51 of 60 Re: FUEL COSTS DIESEL VS. PROPANE [mark4biodiesel]
Mar 01, 2008 (6:20 am)
Mark4, thanks for the info, it was very interesting. I will definately think about it in a future vehicle.
#52 of 60 TAX DEDUCTIONS & SALES TAX REBATE
Mar 01, 2008 (3:01 pm)
RE:LPG I'm in a bit of a hurry so i haven't checked my last few posts today but do not forget the tax breaks that you get from the Feds and your State governments.
The smallest amount for U.S.A. Fed tax deduction is $3,000 for any car, truck, or bus under 5,000 pounds gross weight and must be claimed the same year you do the propane conversion. That amount jumps to $5,000 up to 9,999 pounds gross weight and gets serious for vehiclea over 14,500 pounds which includes the new 2009 Chev/GMC 4500 series cubevan and same the for the Ford as well as the ( maybe ) the Isuzu/Chev/GMC small tilt cab cubevans and of course the Chev?GMC
Topkick type which have at least a 17,500 pound gross weight rating and also a great big block RAT motor ( porcupine ) of 496 cubic inches and 8.1 liters with a compression ratio of 9.1 to one as the standard engine. GM recommends this engine for propane in all it's Topkick literature and you also gives you a six speed automatic trans with a double overdrive. That is all standard on the Topkick and makes it cheaper to buy than most one ton trucks. They offer a 4 door option and even 4 wheel drive too and the sticker is only about $29,000 for the base model with the Rat motor. You can order air ride seats with an electric pump for the front seats right from the factory. Yaaaa. The C4500 can have a gross tow rating of 26,000 pounds when you order the 19,000 suspension. A nice aftermarket turbo with the propane will give about 650 foot pounds of torque at only 2800 RPM which is right at the proper speed for passing on the highway. Even with the propane conversion, a single or twin 40 gallon propane tank and the turbo charger, IT'S STILL CHEAPER THAN ORDERING THE TRUCK WITH A DIESEL. WOW.
With the double overdrive automatic 6 speed trans, you will be only reving about 1,700 to 1,900 RPM on the highway and still have torque right in the sweet spot.
#53 of 60 Re: TAX DEDUCTIONS & SALES TAX REBATE [mark4biodiesel]
Mar 01, 2008 (4:19 pm)
Our host have asked you people to drop the propane balony as this is about Colorado and Canyons.
Maybe instead the Host should just drop the couple of people here who aren't smart enough to read.
#56 of 60 New truck-2011
May 12, 2008 (5:06 am)
Here is what I saw on GM Insider this morning. It will come out in 2010.
Chevrolet Colorado: A major redesign will take place on the Colorado for 2011. The whole truck will be altered in some way or another. Powertrains will stay close to what we currently have, but will be more fuel-efficient and have higher output levels. A 3.0L common-rail diesel is also expected. The platform will remain much the same as the current one.
#57 of 60 Re: DIESEL FUEL COSTS TOO MUCH [mark4biodiesel]
May 20, 2008 (1:32 pm)
Just read your post. Very interesting. I live in miami.fl, I have a dodge ram 1500 mega-cab. Where would i go for conversion? how much does it cost apprx? what kind of mileage should expect? Currently avg 12.5 city 16 hwy. Love my truck but mileage is killing me.
#58 of 60 Re: New truck-2011 [poncho167]
May 21, 2008 (1:03 pm)
Poncho, you need another cup of very strong coffee. Wake up. That link you posted is almost one year old and with high fuel prices in 2008 up 37 percent since Jan first, all previous plans have changed.
Even Nissan was going to offer a diesel version of the Maxima next year ( 2010 model ) but since diesel costs double the price of propane at the pumps in North America, they are considering all options. In many countries in the middle east, gasoline is of poor quality and that is why most of them use diesel or propane in cars and light trucks.
As for the diesel, in small trucks, Ford just announced this past week they were going to develop a new small pickup and build it in Thailand. Ford & Mazda both offer the exact same truck as in the USA but it has a different grill and name and only has a diesel in Thailand.
That is where the Chev Colorado is built in the same plant as it's Isuzu twin and uses the 3 liter Isuzu 4 cylinder turbo diesel. The power was boosted for the 2007 model year as it was built for very long life and was underpowered for it's size compared to all the other small pickup diesels there. The smaller 2.5 liter turbo diesel version has so little power that the automatic is not offered with that engine in Asia.
The Isuzu & Chev Colorado pickup is the best selling vehicle in Thailand. They are exported to every other country in Asia. They also offer the gas 2.9 liter engine as standard but the 2.5 liter diesel is only $600 more. As i recall, the 3 liter diesel costs about $500 more than the 2.5 liter in 2004.
In early 2004 a diesel 3 liter Chev extended cab with air, CD and auto was about $14,500. In 2008, since the Thai baht has risen in value so much against the U.S. dollar, that exact same truck now cost about $20,000. The double cab, 4 door, is now ( 2008 ) about 22,500, in U.S. funds. The buck was 40 baht to the dollar then ( 2004 )and now it is about 31 baht to the U.S. dollar. With shipping costs and duties into the USA, it is now cheaper just to build them here.
Since propane is half the price of diesel there in 2008, the gas 2.9 liter version converted to run dual LPG/gasoline is still the better way to go, as the engine will burn cleaner, give the same power and last longer. It runs quieter as well. You can drive all over Thailand, over the border to Cambodia then on to Vietnam and still use propane. So, why use diesel when it cost twice as much? As i have said in previous posts, this is not 1990 anymore. Diesel does not work, it's that simple.
#59 of 60 Re: New truck-2011 [mark4biodiesel]
May 24, 2008 (5:52 am)
I am not sure about the date of the article but this was recently posted on autoblog as well and I was just relaying the info.
If you look back at your posts I am not a diesel fan either and like the propane idea as you described. Diesel does not make sense in this economy for an everyday driver and hasn't in years based on the higher price for the option and the higher fuel cost. How many years will it take to recoupe the price of the vehicle based on these higher costs?
Oh, and the V8 is still expected though that may change with the fuel costs?
Jul 16, 2008 (4:38 pm)
Edmunds pricing guide has a 5.3V8 for the 2009 model year. Looks like a $1300 option and you have to move up to the the SLE/SLT package. Doesn't say what rear end it will come with. I wonder that the towing capacity will be.