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60 messages, Last post on Jul 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM
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If you guys read my posts from day one, you will see that propane is a much beter option as any of the existing gasoline engines can be converted aftermarket. There are no savings for diesel fuel when compared to the pump price of propane, performance and government tax breaks bot federal and state or province. Diesel fuel 20 years ago was half the price of gasoline but now it cost more. A LPG fueld engine will last longer than a diesel with less wear, cleaner emissions, less maintence and significantly less cost per mile to operate. Any person who thinks diesel is better is blowing smoke and when you have driven commercial cars and trucks on both fuels totaling 1/1/2 million miles, then you are qualified to disagree with me. I have used LPG for 26 years as of 2008 in cars and trucks and fleet discounts off pump prices are significant. Most trucking compnaies used to get significant diesel fuel discounts from the majors but that was then and this is 2008. The old is dead, desisted, gone, expired, DOA, and non existant, just like that damm MP parrot. Wake up guys and smell the coffee, OPEC does not control LPG but they do control gasoline and diesel fuel prices. How do we let Mexico stay part of NAFTA when they are full members of OPEC? LPG is supplied by more than the majors and therefore thy lost control of it 35 years ago. They used to give it away free in Alberta 30 years ago because it costs money to store it for long periods. Propane is 105 octane and we all know how well the engines run today with high octane gasoline and the computer knock sensors. They produce 2% more power than gasoline with the latest port fuel injection systems and loose about 10% MPG due to the much lower BTU of propane. Trust me, when you you see the engine oil stay clean for 3,000 miles on LPG, theyyou cnnot compae diesel oil which turns dark within about 100 miles. Diesel fumes cause brain cancer which causes dementia so i expect you all to yell at me....lol Go ahead and yell, you may wake yourselves up...lol
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| I have experience in diesels pal.I drove long haul for years pulling double tankers.In short,it ain't my first rodeo.I also have a diesel tractor weighing in at a bit over 2 1/2 tons that I need to haul to jobs locally.In the long run,I doubt the engine running on propane would last.It is still a frail GAS engine despite the conversion.Gas engines just aren't built with strong enough parts to haul heavy loads on a daily basis.Yes,propane is cheaper,but not by much here.I would rather run b-50 or higher biodiesel. | |
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Replying to: mark4biodiesel (Feb 19, 2008 10:24 pm) Let the big rigs stay with diesel where it belongs and or other heavy duty uses. |
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this discussion is about V8s in the Colorado and Canyon. Thanks! kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: mark4biodiesel (Feb 19, 2008 10:24 pm) |
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Has anyone even seen the V-8 Colorado yet? Last I checked,the I-5 is still the biggest engine option. -greenjeans
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Replying to: greenjeanz (Feb 23, 2008 7:48 am) |
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| I did a lot of research on what this could entail as I'm very close to buying a 2008 Colorado. The best sources for model changes are the suppliers, as they need lead times of at least 6 months to get the prototypes built for testing on the assembly line. Looking at models from sister companies sharing the underpinnings is another way to look ahead. Wards has listed very few 355 platform contracts. Due to key interior supplier for the 355 platform Plastech going into bankruptcy, GM will most likely have little chance to get much new into the interior of the Colorado/Canyon/Hummer (Isuzu is dead as of July so not in the mix). Exterior changes appear to be in the front fascia with the rumor being a new face like a junior Silverado/Sierra being the sole 2009 change. The H3t interior showed very few new items with a prototype multi-function steering wheel the biggest change. Under the hood will most likely include the rumored V-8 with displacement on demand technology and a revised shift on the fly 4x4 setup. A diesel is most likely not in the early 2009 build mix based on the lack of contracts for key diesel accessory pieces. Some 2.9 L 4 cylinder changes indicate the engine may be ULEV/50 state for 2009 in all trim levels. General appears to have the tire contract into 2009 based on volumes contracted. A third suspension option appears to be part of the V-8 package and has been contracted. That's all I could find in the quasi-public domain. Unless you want a V-8, I don't think it's worth waiting for the 2009 models. | |
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Replying to: greenjeanz (Feb 23, 2008 7:48 am) The extra weight of the beefier rear diff and axles is 60 pounds. It is all steel/iron unlike the aluminum rear in the 5 cylinder unit. Since the base frame is a very light duty deal, there will be some stronger cross members added with stronger gussets where the rear bolts to the frame. To see the new rear in the flesh, go look under an 08 baby Hummer with V8. If GM is smart, they will offer an SS version. |
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Replying to: kcram (Feb 20, 2008 2:30 pm) Years ago, local governments could get very long term fuel contracts for diesel fuel and gasoline for their fleets. These old contracts could last as long as 2 or 3 years but now most contracts are only 1 to 3 months. This changes everything because you can still get long term contracts for propane. Again, i mean 2 year contracts. All diesel trucks now come from the factory with catylitic converters which added at least an extra $2,000 to the selling price on every truck. Why pay $10,000 extra now for a diesel engine on a pickup or small 5 ton truck when you can run gasoline or a combined gasoline/propane duel fuel system? Lets not forget the significant tax deductions for a car, bus or truck running LPG which offsets about half the cost of a propane conversion. For school buses and municipalities, they get 100% cost recovery from the Feds for a propane conversion. Diesels are for dino's. Are you still living in the past? How can you start a diesel engine every single time when it is minus 30 degrees? You can't. All the above facts speak for themselves but some people are thick headed. Some of the diesel fuel sold in North America comes from crude supplied by OPEC American hating countries. None of the LPG is sourced from any country that is unfriendly to the USA. OPEC does not control propane prices as the majors in the oil industry gave up on propane 40 years ago. That is why the posted pump price of propane rarely changes. Expect to get a 20 cent minimum discount per gallon for a propane fuel contract IF you deal directly with the major LPG companies. This means your price will be around $2.00 per U.S. gallon for propane in the winter and less in the summer months. Let's not forget that it is 105 octane and has 18% hydrogen which is why it burns so clean and completely. For the past 6 years now, propane port fuel injection systems have been used which gives 15 to 20% better fuel mileage than old tech propane carbs. I can put you in touch with shops in Buffalo, N.Y. and Pontiac, Mich if you want the best LPG conversion. it is a duel fuel system and leaves thae gasoline sytem in place in case you run out of propane. It automatically swtiches between fuels after it starts on gasoline. No problem there starting at minus 30 or minus 40 degrees. V8's rule. This is 2008, happy New Year. are you still in 1988? |
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