Article Comments - 2008 VW R32 First Drive and Follow-Up Test

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First Drive: 2008 Volkswagen R32 - You need to really like German hatchbacks to appreciate the R32's combination of performance and upscale comfort. If you don't, you won't. (more)

Follow-Up Test: 2008 Volkswagen R32 - If pinpoint refinement is your overriding priority in hot-hatch selection, the 2008 VW R32 is the obvious choice. But some will find it too thoroughly baked. (more)

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#52 of 121 Re: The 2008 R32 is no match for the original. [eldaino] by smyle12 Aug 09, 2007 (4:53 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Aug 08, 2007 10:07 am) You wish. Keep telling yourself that, and you'll most certainly enjoy your newer slower, R32 with it's cheapened more rubbery plasticky interitor, and maybe you'll even opt for the stock 10 spoke 17" rims as well. Try comparing interior photos to the last version and you'll instantaneously see what I mean. Note that the new drivers door arm rest ISN'T made of brushed aluminum. Sure the last version didn't have nav. as an option, but that's about the ONLY interior upgrade you'll find. You could even compare the MkIV base Golf to the MkV Rabbit, and see the differences there. And by the way, leather is NOT an option. Nor are the seats manufactured by German racing outfitter, Koenig. If you haven't noticed, although VW's overall quality hasn't gone down, they've been attempting to cheapen things up. But, hey, enjoy!! I don't even know if these new ones were even built and asssembled at the Porsche manufacturing plant in Slovakia, as were all the other MkIV R32s that were built. All other VW's are built and assembled in Mexico or Brazil. Look into it, before you think you know everything you're talking about. Replies to this message: eldaino (Aug 12, 2007 2:42 pm)
#53 of 121 Re: The 2008 R32 is no match for the original. [smyle12] by eldaino Aug 12, 2007 (2:42 pm)
Replying to: smyle12 (Aug 09, 2007 4:53 pm) R32 with it's cheapened more rubbery plasticky interitor, and maybe you'll even opt for the stock 10 spoke 17" rims as well. Try comparing interior photos to the last version and you'll instantaneously see what I mean. first off.... I HAVE. and i did you one better, by actually SITTING IN BOTH OF THEM. i had the pleasure of experiencing my first r32 this weekend. a beautiful candy white one. the interior was flawless! What do you mean by leather not being an option? ITS STANDARD!!! was it an 'option' on the mkIV r32? who wants a cloth interior on a 30k car? no mkIV r32 i ever saw was cloth; it was always leather. Note that the new drivers door arm rest ISN'T made of brushed aluminum why would you want an arm rest, even if its on the drivers side, made of ALUMINUM? how is that comfortable? You could even compare the MkIV base Golf to the MkV Rabbit, and see the differences there. you are right; you can. The mkV has no more crayon smell and the materials hold up ten times better! Not the mention the nicer feeling shifter and great standard steering wheel. Nor are the seats manufactured by German racing outfitter, Koenig. can you prove that these are better? they are nice..but so are the ones in the mkV r32. Unless you can PROVE that the koenig's are BETTER outside of YOU JUST PREFERRING THEM, then maybe that point will be valid. If you haven't noticed, although VW's overall quality hasn't gone down, they've been attempting to cheapen things up. and i don't blame them...the rabbit takes 50 hours to build! its one heck of a car with immaculate attention to detail, but its not profitable. But the 'cheapening up' wont happen until the mkVI gets here, and even then, it will more than likely be with regards to manufacturing, not interior materials. I don't even know if these new ones were even built and asssembled at the Porsche manufacturing plant in Slovakia, as were all the other MkIV R32s that were built... Look into it, before you think you know everything you're talking about. why don't YOU look into before posting it? the new r32 is built in WOLFSBURG germany, as is the rabbit and the gti. The ONLY MKV built in mexico with german components is the jetta. Look into it, before you think you know everything you're talking about.
#54 of 121 Ummmmm... by smyle12 Aug 12, 2007 (4:04 pm)
I've heard other people complain about the stereo in the MkV. I also think your facts are a little off about where VW assembles there vehicles. Citation please? I work at a dealership, why would I make THAT up? So you're buying a slower version of the same car as btw (and although the specs don't say it) VW used the exact same engine they used in the TT in the MkIV. Wikkipedia So don't even think your car has more horses. It has the same. It's just heavier, slower, cheaper to assemble, has a crappier stereo system, comes with smaller rims with less spokes, gets worse gas mileage, and has really ugly seats that couldn't even be called "racing" seats, or you'd be laughed off the track. Now, the seats on the Eurospec version are flippin' SWEET. They're even cooler than the one's my bright red MkIV (one the 500 produced in red), but yours won't have those... Replies to this message: eldaino (Aug 13, 2007 8:35 am) factoryricho (Oct 04, 2008 11:34 pm) shipo (Oct 05, 2008 6:51 am)
#55 of 121 Proud owner of Both R32's ('04 and '08) by drjlag Aug 13, 2007 (8:30 am)
Hi All, Interesting commentary. As you can tell from the title of this post, I have both. Mine is a blue and my wife's (which we purchased Saturday) is gray. I do like the gray and of course have driven both (duh!), but they each have there differences. First off, my car is almost 3 and half years old with about 46K miles on it. So, it has more squeaks and rattles. I do enjoy the 6-sp and would never by an auto for myself (no matter if it has a direct shift gear box w/paddles), but my wife wanted an auto. The floor mounted pedal is great on the new R which would aid in heal-toe downshifts with a manual, but it's an auto. Eitherway, still a nice feeling with the floor mounted pedal. The new R (just like the MkV GTI) is very solid and eats up bumps like my R just cannot. (please note: this is not an apples to apples comparison due to the fact that my car is much older and I remember it having a more solid feel. still, my car was never this solid and quiet as far as I can recall). The new R is much lower and thus, the handling in the twisties is better, but you can feel the extra weight just a tad. The pick up on the new R is stronger than I expected and all those modes to drive in are great (sport is amazing, but we only had about 20 miles on it so we haven't dogged this one yet, of course the floor model was pushed to the limits more than a couple of times before we purchased ours) The breaks feel a bit softer at first (the pedal needs to be pushed further down), but once they grab, they stop the car well. I believe the rotors on the back are bigger, but they look smaller on the front. Either way, the breaks are one off the strong points on either R. I do like the old steering wheel and the seats but the new leather is nice because its not so smooth. The 6-disk in-dash CD changer is great as is the power lumbar support. The Xenon lights are amazing (our first car with them, I can imagine driving at night in my car now). I like the exhaust pipes further away on the old R (mine looks sweet), but wish the new R were closer together (like on the Cayman S with the chrome tail pipe option). The bumpers on the new R do take a bit of getting used but over all look good. Now to the fun part: the sounds. My R sounds great, but the my wife's sounds a little more raw. I need to rev my engine in 3rd just past 2800 RPM to get that rumble, but the new R seems to be pretty open all the time (no baffle?) The new R definitely sounds louder upon start-up, but they both sound great. Another strong point of any R. Open the windows, moon-roof (all the way), turn off the radio and drive. It's like a Porsche-in-a-Box. Overall, I like both cars and am happy to be able to have access to either anytime I want. I am proud to say that my R has never given me any problems (except for a dead battery recently from this 104 degree heat which was still covered under warranty). Anyway, just thought I try to get a owner's perspective. Of course, we have only had the new R for 3 days and only have about 100 miles on it. I'm sure the breaks will bit harder after more driving and as the miles are put on, we will dip further into the RPMs. Eventually we will have to race to see which is faster. Naawww! I have to say that with even 200 or more lbs curb weight for the new R, it's still faster, especially with the paddle shifting in sport mode. (I think it's 5.8 versus 6.2, but don't quote me) Oh yeah, my R is completely stock (changed the side markers to clear and still need to do that to my wife's R, but it doesn't look like they push in like the MkIV and need to go underneath through the bumper or something--any how-to's would be greatly appreciated). Cheers, Jason Replies to this message: eldaino (Aug 13, 2007 9:03 am)
#56 of 121 Re: Ummmmm... [smyle12] by eldaino Aug 13, 2007 (8:35 am)
Replying to: smyle12 (Aug 12, 2007 4:04 pm) I also think your facts are a little off about where VW assembles there vehicles. Citation please? I work at a dealership, why would I make THAT up? first of all, i didn't say you were making anything up. You have access to the internet, so there are a plethora of sources including edmunds own website that will tell you the mkV golfs and rabbits are built in wolfsburg, as is the r32. Look at the vin numbers, they start with a 'w'. Being a dealer employee, shouldn't YOU be telling me this? Perhaps this is the reason why so many people have bad experiences at VW dealerships? So you're buying a slower version of the same car as btw (and although the specs don't say it) VW used the exact same engine they used in the TT in the MkIV. Wikkipedia So don't even think your car has more horses. It has the same. i'm glad you cited wikipedia, because if you would have read the whole article, the difference in accleration between the mkIV and mkV r32 is like .01, in FAVOR of the MKV. So yeah, it is heavier, but it is just fast, another testament to the mkV. Not to mention that while it is the same engine, its peak torque and horsepower come in on earlier rpms, thus helping it achieve those numbers. I never thought it had MORE horsepower, so i have no idea where you got that from, nor did i say that the newer mkV was loads faster either. cheaper to assemble Nope. You are simply wrong. Read this sentance and accept it. This IS THE reason that the mkVI is coming early, becasue the mkV simply takes to long to build and is not profitable enough! Didn't we already go over this? comes with smaller rims with less spokes, they are 18's just like the mkIV! are you seriously just typing whatever comes to mind? and the new wheels look good, who cares if they are less spokes!? totally lame. gets worse gas mileage, and has really ugly seats that couldn't even be called "racing" seats, or you'd be laughed off the track. hmmm...the seats are supportive and good looking, you shouldn't buy a car like this for gas mileage and when it laps faster than a bmw 1 series with the m competition package, i doubt few would be laughing but me. Anything else? Replies to this message: factoryricho (Oct 04, 2008 11:34 pm) shipo (Oct 05, 2008 6:51 am)
#57 of 121 Re: Proud owner of Both R32's ('04 and '08) [drjlag] by eldaino Aug 13, 2007 (9:03 am)
Replying to: drjlag (Aug 13, 2007 8:30 am) excellent post jason! and yes the markers do push in, its just a little harder to do. i think both vehicles are great, i just don't think that the mkIV is just WORLDS better or anything like that; because, as you pointed out, the mkV is one heck of a nice car!
#58 of 121 We just received our first new R32 yesterday. by smyle12 Aug 19, 2007 (5:15 pm)
It feels more solid. The stereo is not too bad, but I didn't crank it (it did rattle though, lame). The doors are heavier. Overall, it's not too bad. It has a lot of neat features like headlight washers and numerous other things. Owning one wouldn't be so bad, although I still don't like the new body style, it looks almost exactly like a 2004 Honda Civic Si hatchback from the side. It's almost uncanny. It's like I can see that Civic V-tec logo right before the rear wheels when I gaze at it. Overall, I'm more impressed than I thought I would be, but I can't say I've driven the MKV yet. However, if you inspect the numbers closer, the lighter, more fuel economic MkIV IS the faster car, and it just looks more luxurious inside, especially with those awesome indigo and red guages. Sorry MKV owners, but you get white numbers and blue needles. Lame. Replies to this message: eldaino (Aug 20, 2007 9:47 am)
#59 of 121 Re: We just received our first new R32 yesterday. [smyle12] by eldaino Aug 20, 2007 (9:47 am)
Replying to: smyle12 (Aug 19, 2007 5:15 pm) but I can't say I've driven the MKV yet. so after all those posts, this is all you have to say? you made it seem like you had SO much experience with the car, and that the comparisons you were making were valid! if you inspect the numbers closer, the lighter, more fuel economic MkIV IS the faster car, and it just looks more luxurious inside, especially with those awesome indigo and red guages. again, NO one has ever said its faster. but given the fact that is ever so slightly slower than the mkIV, given its weight disadvantage, i'd say thats not too shabby. More economical mkIV? buddy, its a vw first of all, not exactly the poster child for economical cars, and its a speciality limited edition vehicle. being economical has NOTHING to do with it...but if you do want to get nitty gritty, the mkIV r32 is rated at 17/24 mpg whereas the newer, heavier, more powerful (but not faster) r32 is rated at 18/23. it does better in the city and slightly worse on the highway. its a total wash. and it just looks more luxurious inside it looks cool, sporty, and very nice, but it just does not look as luxurious. especially when you are basing yourself on the guages; event the rabbit gets the blue and red ones. i like the fact that they distinguished it on the mkv r32 from the rest of the line up. most of your hate for this car is total opinion and hardly 'lame'. it looks almost exactly like a 2004 Honda Civic Si hatchback from the side. It's almost uncanny. meh, i really don't see the resemblence outside of the fact that they are both hatchbacks. imo, the mkV is has nicer proportions, the civic only really looked great with the hfp lip kit and the 17's alloys. if there is a resemblence, i would hardly call it 'uncanny'.
#60 of 121 I received mine last week. by golfmd Aug 21, 2007 (10:48 am)
Tornado red with all season tires. I don't understand smyle12's hate for this car. It's got a very solid, smooth feel to it for highway driving that won't wear you out on long trips. When I want to rip it, however, it's fully capable and the sport mode is really fun. The paddle shifters are OK, but I do prefer a manual (needed auto for the wife). The options on the car are virtually all encompassing. I love the steering wheel more than on my 911, and that's really saying something. It's a great all around performing car for all season driving.
#61 of 121 Re: Read the reviews [sonic0075] by dmikes Sep 01, 2007 (5:55 pm)
Replying to: sonic0075 (Jul 04, 2007 10:18 pm) It's obvious that YOU will be happier with your stick and eldaino will be happier with his DSG. Either way, the fact is that the DSG is a faster shifting transmission, faster than any human can shift a manual. The DSG even blips the throttle, flawlessly, for downshifts. As for not holding a gear, try using the DSG in "manual" mode. Yes, you CAN shift it out of "auto" mode and it will hold the gear you choose. I've done it. Sorry, DSG is the wave of the future. I've been driving for almost 45 years and I LOVE a stick, but... if you are looking for performance, choose what F-1 drivers use... paddle shifted, auto-clutch transmissions. Plain and simple.