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#712 of 769 4Runner v. 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Aug 02, 2010 (12:39 pm)
As a 4Runner loyalist I eagerly awaited the redesigned 2010 4Runner as a replacement for my 2005 V-8 Ltd. I was at my dealer the day the new 4Runner arrived and left with a pit in my stomach. How could Toyota do this to what was my favorite truck? As noted in many of the posts on this forum, it is clear that Toyota cut corners to save cash on the new 4Runner. There have also been a number of questions about Toyota's commitment to quality.
This past weekend, I looked at the 2011 Grand Cherokee. WOW!!! Looks like Chrysler got it right here - at least from a design perspective. The interior and exterior were what I was hoping to find in the new 4Runner. Elegant and classy yet rugged. No antenna frolicking in the wind, LED tail lights, ventilated seats (in Ltd. and Overlander) and a V-8 option. From a looks, ride, options ,and comfort perspective the new Jeep easily tops the 4Runner.
I would buy this car in a minute (if it were a Toyota, it would have already been in my garage) if it were not for one thing --- its a Chrysler! Edmunds' test model tanked and had to be towed from the middle of nowhere. Jeep blamed this on the fact that the vehicle was an early production model. Apparently, things at Chrysler haven't changed.
My debate is this: Are the extra features offered on the Jeep (especially V-8) and what I consider a much nicer vehicle, inside and out, outweighed by 4Runner's reputation for longevity quality? Will this new Jeep hold up any better than their past models, especially since the new model borrows heavily from Mercedes technology? Is it wise to wait a year for Jeep to work the kinks out? And, perhaps most importantly, how does the new JGC compare to the new 4Runner?
#713 of 769 2010 4Runner vs. Chrysler Products
Aug 02, 2010 (1:09 pm)
As an old Chrysler fan who ran 60s cars several hundred thousand miles each, including two Furies into Y2K, I gave up on anything new from the company after an 80s Dodge van that still had "new car problems" at 90K. Out of nostalgia, I have followed Chrysler but, from what I continue to discern, would not yet buy one. Despite my complaints on this site about my third Toyota (2nd 4Runner), I have not seen anything as severe as the Chrysler-related problems I encountered and have read about since. While I agree that the 4Runner has slipped in quality, and the bug eyed tailights and patchwork lower door and rocker panels on the 2010 model are real styling setbacks, so far I have experienced 10K (seven months) of trouble free miles with the vehicle. If this trend continues, it trumps the ratty aspects.
#714 of 769 Passenger seat noise
Aug 24, 2010 (9:43 am)
Has anyone experienced a "chattering" noise from the passenger seat? If I look at the passenger seat while driving down the road, it is visibly shaking. I know this is a truck and a fully plush ride is not to be expected, but it is kind of annoying.
Other than this, the truck is GREAT
#715 of 769 Re: 4Runner v. 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee [foxyesq]
Oct 05, 2010 (9:05 am)
I don't understand the V8 people. The 6 that the 4Runner has is more than adequate, unless you are towing a huge trailer.... I had a 2007 Tahoe with the Vortec V8 and my 2010 4runner feels just as powerful.
And the Cherokee comparison? Please. The Cherokee's will be discounted and on car rental lots in 2 years despite the re-design. The only good Cherokee is the top of the line which is 46,000!! The Cherokee feels small on the inside compared to the 4Runner. I have a feeling that their are some Chrysler plants on this blog.
#716 of 769 2010 4Runner spare tire
Oct 05, 2010 (10:10 am)
Here is sharing an unpleasant discovery upon finally getting around to rotating the tires on my 2010 purchased last December. The spare is on a cheap steel wheel that does not even come close to matching the other four aluminum wheels. Worse yet, it omits the pressure sensor and transmitter that keeps the low tire pressure alert system from signalling a problem. With the spare tire effectively unusable on a regular basis, Toyota has shortened the life of my tires by about 20%. This is the type of thing that drove me away from Chrysler, GM and Ford!
#717 of 769 Re: 2010 4Runner spare tire [warreb]
Oct 05, 2010 (4:11 pm)
Where is the news here? It's a well known fact that the bean counters were involved in the redesign of the new 4Runner. To name a few - no locking gas cap, no L.E.D. tail lights, old fashion radio antenna, and now your telling us a steel spare tire?
That's really no surprise.
BTW-if you really wanted to go through the trouble, you could rotate the spare by dismounting it and putting it on one of your regular rims, and then take that tire and mount it on the spare. It may be cost prohibitive to do it this way.
#718 of 769 Re: 2010 4Runner spare tire [chuck1]
Oct 05, 2010 (4:34 pm)
You're certainly right about it being cost prohibitive (unless I damage one of the regular tires). Also, you have to add in the cost of doing it at a Toy Dealer to assure that the pressure sensor assy continues to work. I found out the hard way with my '04 that the gadgets are very sensitive and easily rendered inoperative by regular tire shops. Of course, the alternative would be to give up on having the tire sensors work. As you pointed out, the bean counters are wrecking the brand.
Oct 13, 2010 (12:19 pm)
At Toyota.com, I tried to compare the 2010 LTD with the 2011Ltd. It twice reported that there was an error. Probably there is no change for 2011. There is no V8 option yet. Has anyone heard of any new options or changes/improvements of any kind for 2011?
Oct 21, 2010 (9:34 pm)
I just ordered a 2011. The only difference is the sliding cargo rack in the back is now optional instead of standard for the Limited. That is why the MSRP price is slightly less for the 2011 limited verses the 2010. Otherwise there are no color changes or anything else as far as I can tell.
Oct 23, 2010 (5:34 pm)
After a year of driving and research I selected the 2011 Four Runner SR5 with leather sunroof etc. It has met my expectations, when you reach for something it is in the right place, very quiet comfortable ride on the highway. I see a lot of people carping about what it does not have like padded dash, wood trim, locking gas cap etc. but non of these are important to a good driving choice. Spend some time
in one, it fits a lot of needs for its price level. Plenty of cargo space, decent miles per gallon of regular gas, enough power, fit and finish is very good. It sits you up high with an old fashion feel of strength with good handling. It is not a sports car that takes curves with abandon but it is quite fun to drive.
If like me you are here researching what to buy I hope this helps assure you this is a good choice if you like a big strong feel when you drive.