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#583 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [fxoffroad]
Jan 29, 2010 (1:10 am)
My credentials before you question them. I've been driving 4x4's since 1976. If it is binding you are ruining the 4wd. I have the 2003 model with the AWD option. It never binds. But if I try the same thing in 4H with my 2009 Ram, or my former 1991 K1500, 1997 S-10 Blazer, 1986 Toyota SR5 PU, 1985 F-250, or my 1966 K10, it will bind. So get ahead and question all you'd like, but if you have to question someone's credentials over some idiot answering the phone who hasn't a clue and is reading out of a manual, then be prepared for failure.
Better yet, just buy it and drive it in 4H, make lots of U-turns, then come back on here and complain about how your 4WD blew in 4H.
#584 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [canddmeyer]
Jan 29, 2010 (5:45 am)
Yeah... the binding occurs when you push the vehicle to extremes by turning the steering wheel past its "tolerance threshold" (for lack of a more technical term). Like you (canddmeyer), I have owned a variety of 4x4's include an '03 F250, '95 Range Rover, '94 Mistu Montero and others.
I'm simply trying to decide whether to purchase an SR5 or a Limited because my better half will be driving the vehicle during snow events here in Colorado-and that "set it and forget it" route for that driver. If I the only driver, it'd be a slam dunk, I'd get the SR5. Unfortunately, I can see my better half going through the Starbucks drive-thru... in 4H and freak out when the vehicle binds. I want to avoid that. I also plan to do a lot of off-road driving, so this dual purpose requires some thought. In my Range Rover or Montero... you could drive in 4H and pretty much forget about it (except for tight turns). Hence my questions about the 4 Runner.
And thanks so much for the attitude... really helps!
#585 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [fxoffroad]
Jan 29, 2010 (9:05 am)
exactly what are your credentials?
I am not sure what credentials would be suitable for providing links to sources but I think we'd enjoy the discussion more if all tried to be a bit more cordial.
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#586 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [tidester]
Jan 29, 2010 (9:15 am)
completely agree. I'm, like many others, simply trying to make an informed decision - its very disappointing that some people seem to think its alright to try and make others feel dumb, when ultimately there are several different viewponts. As I'm learning there are clearly different schools of thought - about 4WD systems.
#587 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [fxoffroad]
Jan 29, 2010 (1:42 pm)
After going through two transfer cases with my 2002 Explorer with full-time 4x4and 4x4 high/low, I decided to go back to the manual shift 4x4 system of the SR5. The limited had the same type of drive as the 2002 Explorer (probably better built), none-the-less similar and I wanted nothing to do with an all-time 4x4 system. I have an SR5 and the sales person at the time of purchase (mountain area dealership) told me that I need some give on the pavement to be in 4x4 high or low. This is consistant with my experience over the last 20 years of 4x4's. I know, for example, that chevy made full-time 4x4 system back in the day but they tore up the tires fast in pavement. We could probably do the same wear and tear to transfer case and tires over time on 4x4 high. Just my opinion. I took the wife out and introduced her to the manual shifter, did not take long before she was not put off by the slight gear noise and shift feedback.
#588 of 769 How to open all windows remotely using the Limited Smart Key fob...
Jan 29, 2010 (4:28 pm)
Has anyone had the dealership to program (I assume the ECU) to open the windows remotely by using the Limited Smart Key fob on the 2010 4Runner Limited as the manual states it can be done? If yes, did it cost anything?
#589 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [fxoffroad]
Jan 30, 2010 (12:13 pm)
FWIW - my wife drives an 01 Montero Sport, part time 4WD. She called me once when we had a pretty good snow storm in a panic as she was starting to slip. I told her to "move the lever" in my best calm voice. As soon as she did and the 4WD hooked up I could hear the stress leave her voice. She is good as gold now.
That said we are renting a new 4runner from Dollar (downtown Seattle locations has 'em) next week - it is nearing retirement age for the Mitsu - if she likes the runner we would like get the limited...
#590 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [murphydog]
Jan 30, 2010 (4:43 pm)
Like many here, I've often engaged 4H when needed. It's always worked although it doesn't engage immediately as most electronic systems are slower to engage. Binding scares me, but there was almost always some slippage when I used it. And fxoffroad is correct that it'll do the job and be noisy in hard turns. I just wouldn't use it full-time unless there was at least the potential for some slippage.
On that note, if Toyota had kept the AWD/4WD system that was in the 2003 thru 2009, there wouldn't be the binding in 4H unlocked. But the new for 2010 deletion of the unlocked on lower end models can cause binding. Still, I believe it is a great 4WD, but some of us who were looking forward to the 2010 after owning the previous gen sure are disappointed. This will probably put me in a Sequoia.
The nicest thing about the 4H unlocked was the front end would hook up before you found yourself in danger. In fact early on many folks found themselves stuck, and for whatever reason the electronic 4WD wouldn't engage unless the vehicle was moving. So we left it in 4H unlocked all the time and never had the problem of getting stuck again.
Hopefully the 2010 4H engages quicker than the last gen which took awhile, at least the early ones did. Still no outside heated mirrors available on the 2010 SR5, as well as no V8, no LED's. And the window switches....what's that about? For me the takeaways outweigh the improvements. But for those of you getting a 2010, enjoy it. The V6 is as good as ever, the transmission silky smooth, and the drivetrain won't break.
One of these days I hope Toyota lets us build our vehicles so we can option them the way we'd like them, and hopefully a gear driven limited slip versus an electronic limited slip becomes available on all models.
#591 of 769 Re: Good Road Test of the 2010 4Runner [canddmeyer]
Jan 30, 2010 (4:54 pm)
I have heated mirrors on my 2010 SR5. That said, there are always other reasons to buy or not buy a truck.
Jan 31, 2010 (1:12 pm)
What is everyone's take on no V-8 offered in the 2010's. I now have a 05' Sport with a V-8. It was bought to tow my 24" RV trailer. ( 4500 lbs. ) In the city (not towing) I get 17 MPG. On the freeway (Not towing) I get 22-23 MPG at which I keep it under 60 - 65 for the best gas milage. I'm very happy with those numbers. She will getty-up-&-go if pushed, but the MPG goes south... Looks like the 10's are a little heavier with only a 4 or V-6 offered. Towing cap. went from the 7200 lb range for the V-8's to 5000 lb. for the 10' V-6. OUCH.....