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#533 of 769 Re: Opinions on third row in 2010 4Runner [illinoiscentra]
Jan 15, 2010 (11:22 am)
The Third row seat isn't as tight in the new 4Runner as it is in the Rav4. But from experience the 2009 Sienna would be a much better choice with three kids. I am a Toyota Rent a Car Manager Turner Toyota Rent a Car in Colorado. I have had all of the Toyota's you mentioned in my fleet. I work with alot of people, who are repeat customers of mine. They give me great input and I get to try all of the vehicles myself. I have been doing this for the past 4 years and before this I was at a different dealership in the parts department for 6 years. The Sienna is such a masterpiece when it comes to family convenience, and reliability. Living in Colorado I keeo the AWD version in my fleet and it handles like a dream in all weather. The Highlander is an excellent vehicle but with car seats and other gear it is difficult as it lacks storage area behind the third seat when in use. My Dad drives a Pilot, (he doesn't live close to me evidently) and it is smaller than the Highlander. The new 2011 Sienna van is going to have foot rests on the two rear bucket seats and has a lot of other new options to check out. The Sienna van in any recent year model is still the best Family vehicle toyota makes in my opinion.
#534 of 769 SR5 4 wheel drive
Jan 15, 2010 (1:51 pm)
I have a 2002 SR5 that has the center differential. It seems to me that the new SR5 now comes with an inferior 4wheel drive system. I would be going from push buttons to levers, and loose the center differential. Or is the 2010 4 runner's 4 wheel drive similiar to the 2002 with the center diff locked? Any input would be appreciated. I like the new one, but not sure if I should get a trail. I use it in snow, sand, and old logging roads, so having a capable 4x4 is crucial.
#535 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [02yorunner]
Jan 15, 2010 (6:37 pm)
The only full time 4WD drive with center differential is the 2010 4Runner Limited edition. Both SR5 and Trail edition are part time with rear differential that require once in a month for 3-10 miles or so to engage (only off-road) the 4WD system to keep the 4WD components lubricated, and that is the main reason I paid extra to get the Limited ...
#536 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [agnosto]
Jan 16, 2010 (7:56 am)
You just gave me more reasons to get an SR5 and take it offroad at least once a month... sweet. thanks.
#537 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [agnosto]
Jan 16, 2010 (5:12 pm)
It is important to realize that the center differential is a non-issue on the part-time 4WD models, because the transfer case divides the power equally between front and back with no variation - no differential action. The best traction available in any stock 4Runner is with part-time 4WD and a push-button locking rear differential, as comes stock on the Trail Edition. Also, in normal 2WD on the highway, the 4WD SR-5 or the Trail Edition will get better mileage than the Limited, because there are less parts moving under power - less friction. Engaging the part-time 4WD once a month is a small price to pay for better gas mileage and superior 4WD performance. Please don't take offense. The Limited is a fantastic vehicle, but it is important to see things clearly.
#538 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [hikervince]
Jan 16, 2010 (5:35 pm)
for the record: according to Toyota, there is no difference in MPG between the full-time 4WD (Torsen center differential-equipped) Limited and the part-time 4WD (VF2A transfer case) SR5 and Trail Editions. so whichever model you choose, you can expect the same fuel economy.
#539 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [hikervince]
Jan 17, 2010 (11:21 am)
Ok, since it is a direct reply to me, I want you to realize this, that although both 4WD systems are great, the fact remains that the full time 4WD is superior to part time 4WD system and as a matter of fact superior to AWD in terms of dynamics for tough terrain on/off road ability. You need to read specific literature and educate yourself accordingly. I also understand economic conditions might prevent some people to not be able to afford the top of the line 4WD system for all terrain... so please, do us a favor and stop talking nonsense... end of story!
#540 of 769 2010 4Runner Oil Filter Cartrige
Jan 17, 2010 (2:51 pm)
Does anyone know where it is? I crawled under today, took the oil drain access plate off, saw the drain plug in the otherwise smooth plastic oil pan (held in place with 12 bolts), but no sign of a cover plate or access for the filter housing.
#541 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [agnosto]
Jan 17, 2010 (7:49 pm)
Hi Agnosto. I was trying to be helpful, so no reason to be snippy. With the center differential on the Limited, the full-time 4WD is of course far superior to AWD, because of the excellent traction control system, and the option of locking the center differential. But once you do that, you have exactly the same drive system you have on the Trail in 4WD, with traction control and no center differential action. But then on the Trail you also have the push-button locking rear axle, which is not available on the Limited, so the superior traction is the Trail with the rear end locked. The Limited is the top-of-the-line 4R, but they did make some sacrifices in off-road capability. It does make sense that Toyota would build the best off-road capability (including best traction features) into the Trail. That's the whole point of it.
Agnosto - please keep your comments on the level of friendly discussion. Thanks and best wishes - Hikervince.
#542 of 769 Re: SR5 4 wheel drive [hikervince]
Jan 19, 2010 (10:20 am)
Completely agree. For off-roading, Trail is the best set up. For the pavement, limited is obviously much better. So for most of real time driving, limited is the way to go if you can afford it.