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Toyota 4Runner, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, SUV
Jan 03, 2010 (3:55 pm)
Four days ago I traded a 2004 4Runner, with 150K trouble-free miles on it, for the 2010 model. My observations so far are summarized below. If anyone can point me toward where the oil filter (or canister) is situated, I'll be grateful. The goal was to obtain the same good reliability and performance that the 04 provided.
First impressions are that the handling, as expected, appears equivalent and that the redesign pluses slightly outweigh the minuses. More specific observations:
- replacing the lost running boards with a $500 dealer option was a bummer,
- so was finding out, after the sale, that the crossbar parts of the roof rack were another $125,
- 6 cyl engine appears peppier, although I have not accelerated hard during break in,
- the key operated rear window, that goes up as well as down from the back, is a welcomed improvement,
- so is the more intuitive instrument panel and auxillary panel layout,
- like the brighter presentation of temperature, time, gas mileage, etc vs. the old liquid crystal display that was impossible to read during a bright day,
- compass heading readout is nice,
- second row seats fold down more efficiently (less wasted space) than before,
- liked the more understated contours of the the old body style,
- electronic shift seems convenient but I worry about it being new and having unproven reliabililty (liked the old shift just as well),
- the extendable rear shelf seems silly,
- the side-by-side trailer wiring plugs, in alternative configurations, are a plus,
- the 100W/400W inverter is a bit light, not sure why the 400W is not available all the time (a nanny Toyota issue?),
- cover on right side rear storage will be missed, as will glove box shelf; however, the door pockets are more usefully shaped,
- greatest concern is more rust on the machined surfaces of the front suspension bolts, the backing pads, metal adjacent to the grease seals and the exposed portion of the brake rotors than on the 2004 I turned in! I hope, that despite being on dealer's lot for about a month, this is not a harbinger of Ford Truck disease.
#484 of 769 Re: Warreb [warreb]
Jan 03, 2010 (4:56 pm)
I always admire someone who has made a big investment, but can give us an unbiased plus/minus observation.
Did you consider a pre-owned model before buying new?
#485 of 769 Re: Warreb [chuck1]
Jan 03, 2010 (5:19 pm)
No, my assessment of the price & possible problem tradeoff, especially since I tend to keep vehicles a very long time, motivated me to purchase near the beginning of the model year -- at a time when dealers seem especially motivated to discount aggressively.
#486 of 769 Re: Warreb [warreb]
Jan 03, 2010 (5:28 pm)
I noticed that you mentioned you purchased dealer added running boards. I have not been able to find them anywhere for my 2010 and have been told at least a three month wait. If you could point me to the dealer you purchased from I would be thankful.
#487 of 769 Re: Warreb [pjc1] - Running Boards
Jan 03, 2010 (5:40 pm)
My dealer didn't promise. We left it at "they' ll come in when they come in." While I don't mind the wait, I appreciate your heads up and will not get too excited if it drags on for several months.
#488 of 769 Can You Post Your Gas Milage Experience
Jan 03, 2010 (6:35 pm)
Liked your review. Can you post your gas milage experience todate and the noise level. I too have a 2004 Sport and am considering a 2010. Did they give much for the 2004?
#490 of 769 Re: Can You Post Your Gas Milage Experience [tangman]
Jan 04, 2010 (6:48 am)
Have not driven it enough to have a reliable mileage figure. Trade in was reasonable, given the Kelly & Edmunds estimates. However, since negotiations were over "bottom line", there is no way to really know how much was price discount and how much was the dealer's perceived value of the 2004.
#491 of 769 Re: Can You Post Your Gas Milage Experience [tangman]
Jan 04, 2010 (7:04 am)
in case interested
1. Have had my 2010 now four weeks and am averaging 18.5 combined about 50/50 city/hgwy.
2. The vehicle is very quiet on dry roads as compared to my range rover which is the most quiet suv I have ever driven. When the roads get wet or slushy the wheel wells are not so well insulated so the noise level goes up a bit. I am pleased with the quietness of the cabin.
3. Agree that the pull out in the cargo area is nice on paper but poor in real life function.
4. Acceleration after break in is decent. Still would have opted for an 8 and more torque.
5. Has handled very well on snowy and icy roads..Impressed with its capability.
6. Bluetooth performs poorly. Callers can barely hear me and I am talking very loudly right at the microphone (located in headliner at map lights). I use it often so this is a frustration.
7. Navigation is very intuitive and easier to use than my range rover's
8. The truck is comfortable. Captains chairs would be nice in this vehicle but overall pleased with comfort.
9. Braking leaves a bit to be desired.
10. The windshield wiper heater function is quite nice. Works quite well in keeping the wipers from freezing up.
11. The lack of running boards is a problem from my perspective. This vehicle has 9.6 inches of ground clearance and the rocker panels are covered with ice/snow and mud that on you as you get in the truck. They can't come in fast enough. I was told by Toyota corporate that they are not planning on manufacturing boards. This will be a regional dealer thing only. Time will tell.
12. Generally a solid build but doors are a bit tinny sounding and hood flexes in the wind at higher speeds.
13. No memory seating position in a $40K car is disappointing.
14. Please with the added roominess of the back seat and cargo area versus previous models.
#492 of 769 2010 4Runner vs 2010 Highlander
Jan 04, 2010 (8:14 am)
All good information, pjc1 ... very helpful.
What appeals to me on the '10 4Runner is the true 4x4 capability and truck chasis .... with improved mileage. I moved from a Tahoe to '08 Highlander. Wanted better gas mileage and equal 4x4 performance ... but discovered after I bought it the Highlander doesn't have true 4x4 capability. It sounds like the '10 4Runner does .... along with comparable gas mileage to the Highlander.
However, doing some research, it seems the Highlander interior is roomier ... almost 2" more headroom in the front (?) and nearly the same on front legroom. That's surprising and I won't know for sure until I sit in one, I suppose. With a winter jacket on my head scrapes the ceiling in the Highlander, which means a problem for sure in the '10 4Runner...
One question: Does the 4Runner driver's front seat have the same (automatic) front seat extender (not sure what you call it) that provides great leg support for those of us with longer legs as what my '08 Highlander LtD have? Does the 4Runner have the same adjustment, where you can extend the front part of the driver's seat out to provide more leg support?
Again, though, great information on this forum to-date. Thanks.