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Toyota 4Runner, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, SUV
#138 of 769 Re: 2010 Toyota 4Runner [sky19]
Aug 18, 2009 (11:22 am)
I bought a 2002 Sequoia early in its second year of production. I was never happy with it's brakes. By reading these forums I found out that the front disks were being replaced free but only if the customer complained. They never did a recall. About 3 or 4 months after my Sequoia was built they started using the larger front brakes in production. When I called the dealer and told them that my SUV was not braking well, they had me come in promptly and did the upgrade free. I believe there was another TSB having to do with checking a weld in the steering column.
I also have a 2007 Avalon bought early in the second year of the new model. The discussions here were red hot during the first one and a half years until they learned how to properly reprogram the ECM (engine control module) Mine now runs well AFTER the TSB came out and again the dealer took care of it.
The bottom line for me is that if you can't wait a year, and want to buy a new model year, Toyota probaly involves one of the lowest risks. However if you can wait a year you might have fewer aggravations. I love my Toyotas but they are not bullet proof.
I am also very interested in the new 4Runner but I will try to wait a least a year before buying one.
#139 of 769 2010 4Runner
Aug 18, 2009 (4:25 pm)
I'm surprised no pictures came out already.
Just ordered a Sequoia and I asked my dealer about the new 4Runner and he said that he had seen it at a Toyota corporate meeting/show in Las Vegas.
Like someone said earlier looks like Toyota has a strong control on their employees/dealers.
#140 of 769 Re: 2010 Toyota 4Runner [iwant12]
Aug 19, 2009 (5:22 am)
We bought a 07 Camry SE V6 in Sep 2006, 4 month into production.
Few problematic changes were discovered during this period and changes were made for September production.
We had terrible time with ECM (engine control module), the same engine as Avelon mentioned by blackdog4 in this forum. This was a serious problem causing several accidents there were also problems with breaks, rear struts and hydraulic hoses. Toyota has not been forthcoming to address ANY of these items. They are all under TSB, which means the customer must complain before modification is made. After significant amount of aggravation, specially over ECM, the problems are all addressed and we are happy with the vehicle.
Bottom line, based on personal experience and surveys (data collected by services centers) by Lemon Aid and Car Guide, Toyota no longer keeps the reputation once held. This is specially known on vehicle assembled in North America versus Japan.
I must also note my entire family owns various Toyota models and years and the experience are similar.
However in my opinion, if 4Runner is produced in Japan, it would be a better choice over all other full frame truck base SUVs in the market, regardless of the first year. I suggest you wait till Spring 2010, if you can wait.
#141 of 769 Track on Bugs (TSB)
Aug 20, 2009 (5:10 am)
I though this might be of an interest to you.
Mean to check the track of vehicles, first, second and .. year
- Signup for on Mycarstat.com (free). You get to see come of the common complaints and real problems and even replies from manufacturers such as Toyota to protect their name. You will find out the number of TSB issued for the vehicle as they are issued and in turn how many for each year. You will notice that number of TSB for the same vehicle usually reduces each year until it is redesigned (such as Toyota Camry as I indicated). You will also see what happens when a vehicle’s assembly is moved (check Volkswagen Jetta or Nissan Pathfinder)
- Check Lemon Aid used car and Car Guide. These book collect/buy information from services centers such as authorized CAA service centers. The information is categorized and shown/compared from one year to another. Lemon Aid points out what to watch for (common problems) and hidden warranties that manufacturer don’t want you to know. Both will recommend vehicles and point out the lemons.
- Autotrader. Retained value of the vehicles is the undisputed indication of most sought out vehicles and direct link to its reliability and longevity. Use this site and value finder feature by Province/State to get a sense of the number of THE vehicle on the road, for sale or its popularity.
- And of course access to a couple of dealers database would also be very helpful !
#142 of 769 Re: Track on Bugs (TSB) [rsarrami]
Aug 20, 2009 (4:30 pm)
You've got a typo in the URL in your post. It should be www.myCarStats.com.
It looks like a great website! Thanks.
#143 of 769 Toyota lately?
Aug 22, 2009 (7:18 pm)
I am starting to wonder what the deal is with Toyota. Ever since I owned a 1982 Toyota 4 cyl. manual 4x4 truck, I've wanted to own a similar truck as a new purchase. Now I am having doubts. Toyotas have really changed over the years in a way I don't care much for, too much towards power and size in my opinion. The new Toyota 2010 Tacoma dropped 2 EPA points to 14/18 from the 2009 model value of 16/20 as of earlier today, according to the Toyota website. What's going on, is this a typo, or have the EPA guidelines changed? I am now tempted to buy a 2010 Jeep Patriot, the only SUV I can find with a manual transmission 4 cyl and decent fuel economy. Yes, the downside is power, but the price is $6K lower than the Tacoma! Does anyone have insights into the value of the Jeep Patriot for someone wanting a fuel efficient SUV with manual transmission? I think 170 h.p. is enough for my lifestyle most of the time (i.e., wallet).
#144 of 769 Woops, wrong thread
Aug 22, 2009 (7:27 pm)
Sorry, I should have posted this on the Tacoma thread. I've been considering a 4Runner so I mistakenly posted it here.
#145 of 769 Re: 2010 Toyota 4Runner [sky19]
Aug 23, 2009 (8:49 am)
I bought a 2003 4Runner the first month it was out. The only non maintenance repair in 143,000 miles was an air conditioner relay switch. The first one was defective and Toyota had redesigned it to eliminate the defect.
I'm planning on buying the new 4Runner as soon as it comes out.
#146 of 769 spy shots of the 4runner
Aug 23, 2009 (7:27 pm)
i came across these pics on the web...though it says 2011....maybe toyota is skipping a year..lol
Aug 23, 2009 (7:30 pm)
another site with spy shots....front end reminds me of the old sequoia....still can't believe they're making it without a V8...makes me want to keep my '04 with its V8...