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Toyota 4Runner, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, SUV
#101 of 769 Re: 2010 gripes [rsarrami]
Jul 21, 2009 (12:10 am)
In times when auto manufacturing survival is based on fuel efficiency, one would presume that companies would offer their more fuel efficient and high power engines in a lower price category...
I'd guess fuel efficiency is why Toyota is bringing back a 4-cylinder offering. It would also allow them to position an entry-level model, making the base 4Runner more affordable.
I'd agree that R&D is a significant cost to a car maker. Is it really all that surprising that we're not seeing any major breakthroughs in terms of a new engine or transmission for the 4Runner given it's realistic sales volume?
Looking at the 4Runner Towing thread, I don't see any complaints about the engine lacking torque for towing. I do agree that they seem to be moving away from positioning the 4Runner for serious towing without the V8, but reading that thread, it looks like the 4Runner's relatively short wheelbase excluded it from some of the larger towing jobs anyway.
You mentioned the Camry and ES350's V6 as examples of the engine technology that Toyota possesses. This is probably over-generalizing, but I'm sure if they could've used the same engine, they would have. They reuse them in the Highlander and Venza (also both Camry-platform-based), so reuse of technology is not something Toyota shies away from.
The 4Runner's V6 is different from the engines used in the Camry-based vehicles. When the Gen4 4Runner launched in 2003 with the V6, it was heralded as a brand new design for their truck engines. I think squeezing over 30 more horsepower and a bit more torque over the current 4.0L V6 is a pretty good accomplishment.
My expectations are pretty high for the 2010 in terms of exterior appearance and interior quality. But I'm also going to be realistic in terms of what Toyota will choose to offer -- i.e. this is going to be neither a luxury car nor will it be a fuel-sipping econobox. As one of those uploaded documents said, it's going to return "to its roots."
#102 of 769 Re: 2010 gripes [qs933]
Jul 21, 2009 (7:16 am)
Based on the Canadian Dealer Order Form that I received from my dealer, Toyota will not be offering a 4-cyl line in Canada.
Is there any confirmation that they will in US?
I would have expected a 2wd V6 in US but not a 4-cyl. I also wonder if there would be any other significant variations in US.
#103 of 769 Re: 2010 gripes [rsarrami]
Jul 21, 2009 (10:28 pm)
The 4-cylinder offering is based on that PDF of "2010 Toyota Changes" that was posted to Tundra solutions (and I think you posted the same PDF). I'm assuming that the document is legitimate (and no reason to think it isn't). But no official confirmation -- we won't see anything "official" till Toyota launches.
Reading between the lines of the Canadian order document and the "2010 Toyota" PDF, I would guess that the US lineup would include:
- SR5 2WD 4-cyl
- SR5 2WD V6
- SR5 4WD V6
- Trail Edition 2WD V6
- Trail Edition 4WD V6
- Limited 2WD V6
- Limited 4WD V6
Kind of makes sense that if the 2WD is not offered in Canada, and if the 4-cylinder engine is not mentioned in Canada, that it's probably a 2WD only model. Again, just a guess based on those documents that were posted. I don't think there will be major functional differences other than the 4-cyl/2WD availability. Probably just more option freedom and more color choices, similar to today's model.
#105 of 769 Re: More Pictures [akk161]
Jul 27, 2009 (10:49 am)
I dunno - the description sounds positive, V6 or V8, solid off road ability - that is what a 4runner is suppose to be.
#106 of 769 Re: More Pictures [murphydog]
Jul 27, 2009 (1:57 pm)
Myself, I wish Toyota would go back more toward the 2002 body style. I've always liked that particular design. The engine choices for the '10 sound great, especially more power out of the V6!
#107 of 769 Re: More Pictures [akk161]
Jul 28, 2009 (7:05 am)
Thanks for the spy photos.
I must agree with you, I would be disappointed if this is the new 4Runner body style even with most likely added body moulding. On the Car and Driver site they have the spy photos and the current version pictures in series and you hardly see any changes. These pictures are similar to the very grainy spy photos which surfaced several months back.
The artical on http://www.caranddriver.com/news/spied/09q3/2010_toyota_4runner-spied site suggest that a V8 engine with six speed auto is among offering. This would be a contradiction to information we received last month, unless it is offered in US only.
#108 of 769 Re: More Pictures [rsarrami]
Jul 28, 2009 (8:08 am)
Toyota has greatly limited V8 production on the 2009 4Runner. So it would not surprise me (although it will disappoint me) if the V8 is not offered on the 2010 4Runner.
Performance with a 4-cylinder will be a bad joke.
#109 of 769 Re: More Pictures [nedzel]
Jul 29, 2009 (7:29 am)
Check out the most recent posting from Car and Driver;
The Car and Driver obviously get their information from insecure and unreliable sources. Someone must have emailed them to say “What the heck you’re talking about?” and forwarded them the same documents posted here.
I hope they pictures are equivalently invalid as I didn’t care for what I saw.
#110 of 769 More Info (Maybe)
Jul 30, 2009 (3:56 am)
Got the word that further detail info will become available to the dealership (management only) as of next week. I presume it will be further ordering guide, perhaps pricing.
My contact indicated that he may not be able to release this info. You may whish to ask your contact for this info, if possible. I will post, if I get any further info.