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#300 of 309 Re: A Toyota designed by Nissan - Just A wish [4rider] by qs933 Nov 03, 2009 (3:20 pm)
Replying to: 4rider (Nov 03, 2009 11:57 am) Option packages is not about to satisfay a group of users. It is a way to sneak in thoes higher margin or less wanted stuf thereby maximize the profilt.   Maximizing profit is the name of the game, isn't it? The flip side of that is if a manufacturer packages options incorrectly and no one buys the vehicle for whatever reason, they have to discount and eat into their profit (or even lose money). There is an incentive for them to balance customer needs with the way they package options -- if people don't buy, they make zero profit.   I still prefer what Toyota and Nissan do with options versus what Honda does. Honda makes everything standard (no factory options) on a per model basis. Do you want leather? No choice, you have to get the EX-L model with a moonroof. Want Bluetooth? No choice, you have to get the EX-NAV model with a navigation system. That's packaging at the extreme, IMHO.
#301 of 309 It All About Profit by tangman Nov 03, 2009 (5:28 pm)
There are exceptionally few new 4-runners on the lots. The strategy may be to limit supply to keep the price up. They keep the lower price by reducing the content of the vehicle (remove LED tail lights, skid plates, etc). Realistically, I think Toyota is trying to drive 4-runner buyers to the lexus line, which will substantially increase their profits per vehicle. All the things many of the current 4-runners want (6 spd trans, V8) are likely to show up on the new lexus 460/470. The bottom line is that their core objective is profit, not necessarily the vehicle most of their customers want. Replies to this message: qs933 (Nov 03, 2009 7:02 pm) dpr1 (Nov 04, 2009 4:11 pm)
#302 of 309 Re: It All About Profit [tangman] by qs933 Nov 03, 2009 (7:02 pm)
Replying to: tangman (Nov 03, 2009 5:28 pm) All the things many of the current 4-runners want (6 spd trans, V8) are likely to show up on the new lexus 460/470. The bottom line is that their core objective is profit, not necessarily the vehicle most of their customers want.   When the 4th Gen first launched, according to the review in USA Today, Toyota estimated that 70-80% would take the V6. I'd be interested in knowing what the actual split between 4th Gen V6 and V8 sales turned out to be. I wouldn't be too surprised if it was close to Toyota's estimate.   Toyota is betting that the 5th Gen 4Runner has the combination of features that most of their customers want at a price that most of their customers would pay. That's how you maximize profit. Replies to this message: dpr1 (Nov 04, 2009 4:11 pm)
#303 of 309 Re: It All About Profit [qs933] by dpr1 Nov 04, 2009 (4:11 pm)
Replying to: qs933 (Nov 03, 2009 7:02 pm) I will bet that Toyota will offer the V8 in 2011 or 12. I have a V8 05 and cannot see moving back to a V6 5 speed, especially in Colorado. The extra weight on the 2010 combined with the altitude in the mtns would make this a tough sell. Go to the 4Runner thread on TundraSolutions -- some interesting and relevant info.
#304 of 309 CAFE by chuck1919 Nov 04, 2009 (6:46 pm)
All manufacturers have to hit a mpg number (across all lines) mandated by the gov't in future years. A V8 may not be in the planning, as this brings the entire fleet CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) down.
#305 of 309 CAFE? by tangman Nov 04, 2009 (7:25 pm)
Toyota already has a lot of high milage high sales volume cars, so CAFE is not really a problem since the number of 4-Runner sales are in the noise. The real goal is higher profit margins which is apparent since the production level will be low to keep prices up based on posts in other forums from dealer sales personnel. They are maintaining roughly the same price with substantially less capability and features. And no new technology (6spd trans) for the drive train.
#306 of 309 Re: A Toyota designed by Nissan - Just A wish [chuck1919] by yassy Nov 05, 2009 (8:27 am)
Replying to: chuck1919 (Nov 01, 2009 10:57 pm) Front and rear underbody skid plates (transfer case skid plate on V6 4WD models) - this is standard on all 4runners. where did you see they arent putting this on?
#307 of 309 The new 4Runner in stock yet? by aamixy Nov 07, 2009 (5:32 pm)
I talked to a sales at the dealer in Sunnyvale, CA this afternoon and he told me the original date to have the new 4Runner in stock in late Oct. has been pushed to the end of Nov. He said Toyota is running out of some new parts and would like to have the new 4Runner hitting the market at the same time for all the dealers across the country, so we'll have to wait. Anyone get the same words from your local Toyota dealers and know when I can see them on the lot? Thanks.
#308 of 309 Same Story In Northwest - End Of November by tangman Nov 07, 2009 (5:59 pm)
Most dealers now say they will have at least one by the end of November. While I am curious at seeing it for real, the new offering is not as exciting as I expected, thus I changed my purchase plans. I am in no rush and will stay with my 2004 and 1999 for now.
#309 of 309 Size? by kennynmd Nov 07, 2009 (8:30 pm)
Just saw on the Toyota website that the second row leg room is 32.9 in.?? Is this correct? Thats anout the same room of a Lexus IS. Most SUV's of this size has around 34-35 in.

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