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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [jet10000] by targettuning
Sep 12, 2007 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Sep 12, 2007 7:24 am)

So prices stayed the same did they? I still think more than $21K is too much for a car with the content of a Civic. A Hyundai Elantra Limited with leather, heated seats, and mirrors (which by the way are standard on even the cheapest model Elantra) and more equipment including fog lights, trip computer, leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, heated seats, 4wheel discs (standard on the cheapest model), and XM radio standard can be had for thousands $$$ less. All those features are either optional...not available...or available only on the leather package for Civics. In addition, the Elantra is larger inside, has a larger trunk and has a more comfortable quiter ride. Finally, the Elantra will soon be available with ESC.
  Before you lecture me about how a Honda is superior to a Hyundai I own a 2006 Civic (with quite a few problems) and came out of a Hyundai (we had two actually with no problem for either) so the Honda "quality" mantra means little to me.
 Honda has consistently overpriced their offerings recently searching for the "what the market will bear" level. Starting with the Fit through the Accord they all seem to be priced a level above what they actually are..in other words the Fit costs more than other "economy cars" within its class and one can buy the next size small car for the same or a bit more money. The Civic too is solidly within some mid-sized cars price range now. And the Accord is approaching or at entry level luxury/quasi luxury levels. The Accord is supposed to be a mainstream family sedan so why is it priced at over $30K for a well equipped model. Toyota also seems to suffer from this inflated price syndrome. Is the name and reputation worth more than the actual car???
 As an aside: you mention cheap plastic everywhere in a $14K economy car. It is funny that our $19,680 Civic EX sedan has some of the most scratch prone hard interior plastics I have ever seen. Maybe (probably) this poor first experience with Honda has negatively colored my feeling about the brand.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [targettuning] by backy
Sep 12, 2007 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Sep 12, 2007 9:27 am)

fyi Hyundai dropped the Elantra Limited for 2008 but still offers leather and heated seats as options on the SE (which also has standard ESC for 2008).
 
As you noted, a loaded Civic with leather is now about the same price as some much larger cars, e.g. the Sonata Limited. But the Sonata won't get the fuel economy of the Civic. Some people want a car with high FE for commuting but don't want to give up the creature comforts, and the Civic EX-L fits that bill.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [targettuning] by jet10000
Sep 12, 2007 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (Sep 12, 2007 9:27 am)

A Hyundai Elantra Limited with leather, heated seats, and mirrors (which by the way are standard on even the cheapest model Elantra) and more equipment including fog lights, trip computer, leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, heated seats, 4wheel discs (standard on the cheapest model), and XM radio standard can be had for thousands $$$ less.
 
Well thousands less is not quite right.
 
Hyundai Elantra SE is $17,225
add leather pkg 1,950
Total $19,175
 
Honda EX-L with leather is $20,710.
 
So the difference is only $1,535 not thousands less.
 
Take a look at used car prices for 3 and 4 year old Elantras and Civics and you will find that the $1,500 difference is more than made up for and re-sale time. While you personally may not value Honda's reliability, the market does. Until Hyundai establishes the track record that Honda has, it will still be that way.
 
If you like the Elantra, just sell your 2006 Civic, you'll get good money and go buy the Elantra of your dreams.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [jet10000] by backy
Sep 12, 2007 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Sep 12, 2007 12:23 pm)

Your price on the Elantra is incorrect, the SE with leather and moonroof package is $18,795, so that is about a $2000 difference MSRP to MSRP. But typically Elantras have at least a $1000 rebate. They don't have one now because the 2008s are rare, but once the 2007s are gone the rebates will be back. The rebate on the 2007s ranges from $1000-2000 depending on location. So the real difference is more like $3000-4000. I think that is significant, especially since the Elantra includes ESC.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [backy] by jet10000
Sep 12, 2007 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 12, 2007 12:28 pm)

Your price on the Elantra is incorrect, the SE with leather and moonroof package is $18,795, so that is about a $2000 difference MSRP to MSRP.
 
I pulled the Elantra prices off of the edmunds site for a 2008 Elantra.
 
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/hyundai/elantra/100913168/options.html?action=1&- - x=36&y=16
 
It says $17,225 base and $1,950 for leather---that equals $19,175.
 
I don't know anything about rebates that may or may not be offered.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [jet10000] by k5ldb
Sep 12, 2007 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Sep 12, 2007 12:58 pm)

I guess it's regional but in Houston the SE with leather package and floor mats is $19,880 MSRP so it's not far from that magic $20k mark either. Cars aren't cheap any more and a loaf of bread isn't 4 bits anymore either.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [jet10000] by backy
Sep 12, 2007 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: jet10000 (Sep 12, 2007 12:58 pm)

You are comparing an Elantra with automatic to a stick Civic--not an apples-to-apples comparison. As someone else noted, the list price on the EX-L with automatic is $21,345. Be sure also to include destination (non-negotiable) when you compare prices. Just as you should include rebates that are available to all buyers.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [backy] by k5ldb
Sep 12, 2007 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 12, 2007 7:39 pm)

My bad. I clicked the wrong one. Soooo, manual trans, leather, and floor mats and got $18,880. Still pretty well up there and with poorer resale value.
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Re: Finally saw a 2008 EX -L [backy] by jet10000
Sep 12, 2007 (8:48 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 12, 2007 7:39 pm)

You are comparing an Elantra with automatic to a stick Civic--not an apples-to-apples comparison.
 
Absolutely not! I compared both cars with automatic and without destination charges. However, if you want me to add in destination I can as follows:
 
Elantra:
 
MSRP: $17,225
Destination: $620
Leather Option: $1.950
Total: $19,795
 
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/hyundai/elantra/100913168/optionsresults.html?ac- tion=2
 
Only incentive listed on edmunds is $500 to military personnel only! No rebate or incentive listed for general public.
 
Civic EX-L
 
MSRP: $20,710
Destination: $635
Total: $21,345
 
http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-price/trims.asp?SERIES=2&SERIESNAME=Civ- ic%20Sedan&YEAR=2008
 
Difference: $1,550. NOT Thousands and Thousands as was previously stated!
#70 of 345
2008 Civic by kyote
Sep 12, 2007 (9:42 pm)
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I have had my 08 less than a week and already have 1200 miles on it. Sure do like it!

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