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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [aspesisteve] by kcram HOST
Apr 28, 2008 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Apr 28, 2008 7:21 am)

In general. a diesel will feel better off the line because it has more torque available at a much lower rpm... you don't have to wind out to some wild redline above 5000 to "feel" the power. In the rpm range that most of your driving is done at, the diesel will be notably stronger.
 
As an example (although not apples to apples with the Ridgeline), my 2005 Ram 3500 offered 2 engines: a 330 hp 5.7L Hemi V8, and a 325 hp 5.9L Cummins turbodiesel straight six. A 5 hp difference shouldn't mean much, right? The Hemi's hp peak is at 4800 rpm; the Cummins at 2900. Now let's check the torque... the Hemi is 375 lb-ft 4200 rpm, the Cummins is 610 lb-ft 1500 rpm. Guess which truck comes off the line faster.
 
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What I want... by wwest
May 05, 2008 (5:01 am)
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Is a hybrid "Ridgeline" modelled after the early ninties Ford Ranger PU..., size, weight, etc.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 07, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 18, 2008 9:09 am)

It is well known that Honda has a 6-cylinder diesel in the works. It's slated for the Pilot, Odyssey, Ridgeline and probably some Acura models as well. I expect to see it in 2010 or 2011.
 
Here are a few links stating that:
 
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/FREE/61204019/1024/c- - ara_submit
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/04/honda-may-outfit-ridgeline-and-others-with-v6- - -diesel/
 
http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-to-make-diesel-v6-for-us-by-10.html
 
As to the diesel having too much torque: I'm sure Honda will engineer it properly to handle the increased torque.
 
Bob
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [rsholland] by wwest
Jun 07, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 07, 2008 6:56 am)

"As to the diesel having too much torque: I'm sure Honda will engineer it properly to handle the increased torque."
 
Yes, I think that "engineering" might well consist of simply substituting a 4 cylinder diesel instead of a 6 cylinder.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 07, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 07, 2008 10:08 am)

Yes, I think that "engineering" might well consist of simply substituting a 4 cylinder diesel instead of a 6 cylinder.
 
Don't bet on it.
 
Bob
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [rsholland] by wwest
Jun 08, 2008 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 07, 2008 7:12 pm)

Why not, Diesel is likely to hit $10.00 within a few years, and if it doesn't then our government should tax it enough to make it so.
 
Maybe my dream, a Ford Ranger "sized" Ridgeline with Miller cycle smallish I4 using a lightweight/low inertia carbon fiber positive displacement engine belt driven variable speed SuperCharger will happen after all.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 09, 2008 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 08, 2008 5:56 pm)

Why not? Because everything that's been published on a future Ridgeline diesel is counter to what you're suggesting.
 
Sure, I suppose a 4-cylinder diesel is possible, but it's highly unlikely. I also don't expect a smaller Gen-2 Ridgeline as you mentioned. I could see Honda offering another smaller pickup model, maybe something based off the Element (beefed up considerably), but not a smaller Ridgeline; and that certainly could have a 4-cylinder diesel.
 
If anything, I would hope to see more body styles offered on the next generation Ridgeline, one being a regular cab model with an 8' bed. With fuel prices the way they are there's a HUGE opportunity for the smaller mid-size trucks to become to become the "next 1/2-tons," and Honda is in a perfect position to cash in on this.
 
The need for a work-friendly truck will not disappear with high fuel prices. The Ridgeline, unlike any other mid-size truck, is already wide enough to handle 4' wide plywood flat on the bed floor. What's missing is a bed long enough to carry plywood with the tailgate closed. If Honda's smart they will offer something like that.
 
Bob
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [rsholland] by wwest
Jun 09, 2008 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 09, 2008 5:20 am)

".. counter to what you're suggesting..."
 
No, not really. According to Honda the 4 cylinder diesel comes first along with the vehicles to be so equipped. The 4 cylinder might be so successful, QUICKLY successful, along with the fact that the buyers, "boy-racers", the HP/torque NUTS, and the 0-60 crowd growing older and more mature every day, while feeling the "PAIN" of empty pockets that Honda suspends the 6 cylinder diesel developement.
 
And I put the need for carrying a 4X8 sheet of plywood right in there along with the earlier categories. One time rental of a PU is a much better solution vs long term ownership of a vehicle HUGE enough for the rare occassions that most of use, have need to haul 4X8 sheets of plywood.
 
No, the old purchase "standards" will now disappear, thankfully.
 
Have you noticed that you can BUY a single axle trailer for those ODD jobs for as little as $500...??
 
My '93 Ranger is scheduled to go away, along with the insurance costs, for that very reason, $500 utilty trailer.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 09, 2008 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 09, 2008 11:01 am)

I have a 5x8 single axle trailer, which I tow with my Forester. In fact I used it this morning.
 
We're talking about different things here. You're coming at it from a Harry Homeowner standpoint, which is fine—and I have no argument with that.
 
What I'm saying 4x8 capability is still very important to those who earn a living with pickups. A properly designed mid-size pickup (wider!) can fill the needs of many who have been traditional 1/2-ton buyers. Also, not all contractors buy HD 3/4-ton trucks. Again I say Honda is in the best position of any truckmaker to exploit this market, and I hope they do.
 
The Ridgeline already is already wide enough and can match the payloads of many full-size 1/2-tons. What it needs are more model configurations, one being a regular cab with an 8' bed.
 
Finally, Honda has stated a number of times that a V6 diesel is in the works for their larger vehicles, the Ridgeline being one of them. I'm not making this up. It's a matter of record.
 
Would they also offer a 4-cylinder diesel? I guess it's always possible, if the engine were large enough. My guess is it would have to be in the 2.5 – 3.0 range, which is pretty big for a 4-banger. Toyota and Nissan offer 2.5+ diesels in other markets, so it's certainly possible.
 
Bob
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [rsholland] by aspesisteve
Jun 09, 2008 (4:53 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 09, 2008 12:05 pm)

what's the point of a diesel in todays world. Diesel in California is over $5.00 per gallon. It also happens to be dirtier than a gas equivolent Honda.
 
I want a hybrid Ridgeline. Put the hybrid system where the built in tool box is and I'm on board. Give me a Hybrid Ridgeline that can get something in the high 20's; that's what I want.

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