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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [aspesisteve] by nedzel
Apr 24, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Apr 23, 2008 12:36 pm)

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you that the economics don't look good for diesel. The Tier 2 Bin 5 regulations are such that a diesel engine costs $2000 - $4000 more than a gas engine of similar power. While it will get about 30% better mileage, diesel fuel in my area costs about $1 more per gallon than gas, thus negating the mileage advantage.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [aspesisteve] by moparbad
Apr 27, 2008 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Apr 23, 2008 12:36 pm)

what's the point of dielsel?
  
it won't save you anything at the pump in cost per gallon that's for sure.

 
Less fuel use.
 
Much better drivability with low RPM power (torque).
 
Increased longevity/durability.
 
Increased driving range and fewer fill ups required.
 
At 25% greater efficiency the diesel does save money when comparing $3.50 gas to $4.00 diesel, however, it is not just about saving money, it is about having a choice of what some believe is a superior engine and having choices.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [moparbad] by aspesisteve
Apr 28, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Apr 27, 2008 3:01 pm)

what do you mean by "much better drivability with low RPM power"?
 
I do understand the part about diesel engines getting better mpg. Are you saying they have better performance than the current gas engine in the Ridgeline?
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [aspesisteve] by kcram HOST
Apr 28, 2008 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Apr 28, 2008 7:21 am)

In general. a diesel will feel better off the line because it has more torque available at a much lower rpm... you don't have to wind out to some wild redline above 5000 to "feel" the power. In the rpm range that most of your driving is done at, the diesel will be notably stronger.
 
As an example (although not apples to apples with the Ridgeline), my 2005 Ram 3500 offered 2 engines: a 330 hp 5.7L Hemi V8, and a 325 hp 5.9L Cummins turbodiesel straight six. A 5 hp difference shouldn't mean much, right? The Hemi's hp peak is at 4800 rpm; the Cummins at 2900. Now let's check the torque... the Hemi is 375 lb-ft 4200 rpm, the Cummins is 610 lb-ft 1500 rpm. Guess which truck comes off the line faster.
 
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What I want... by wwest
May 05, 2008 (5:01 am)
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Is a hybrid "Ridgeline" modelled after the early ninties Ford Ranger PU..., size, weight, etc.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 07, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 18, 2008 9:09 am)

It is well known that Honda has a 6-cylinder diesel in the works. It's slated for the Pilot, Odyssey, Ridgeline and probably some Acura models as well. I expect to see it in 2010 or 2011.
 
Here are a few links stating that:
 
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/FREE/61204019/1024/c- - ara_submit
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/04/honda-may-outfit-ridgeline-and-others-with-v6- - -diesel/
 
http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-to-make-diesel-v6-for-us-by-10.html
 
As to the diesel having too much torque: I'm sure Honda will engineer it properly to handle the increased torque.
 
Bob
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [rsholland] by wwest
Jun 07, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 07, 2008 6:56 am)

"As to the diesel having too much torque: I'm sure Honda will engineer it properly to handle the increased torque."
 
Yes, I think that "engineering" might well consist of simply substituting a 4 cylinder diesel instead of a 6 cylinder.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 07, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 07, 2008 10:08 am)

Yes, I think that "engineering" might well consist of simply substituting a 4 cylinder diesel instead of a 6 cylinder.
 
Don't bet on it.
 
Bob
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [rsholland] by wwest
Jun 08, 2008 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 07, 2008 7:12 pm)

Why not, Diesel is likely to hit $10.00 within a few years, and if it doesn't then our government should tax it enough to make it so.
 
Maybe my dream, a Ford Ranger "sized" Ridgeline with Miller cycle smallish I4 using a lightweight/low inertia carbon fiber positive displacement engine belt driven variable speed SuperCharger will happen after all.
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Re: Turbo-diesel please. [wwest] by rsholland
Jun 09, 2008 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 08, 2008 5:56 pm)

Why not? Because everything that's been published on a future Ridgeline diesel is counter to what you're suggesting.
 
Sure, I suppose a 4-cylinder diesel is possible, but it's highly unlikely. I also don't expect a smaller Gen-2 Ridgeline as you mentioned. I could see Honda offering another smaller pickup model, maybe something based off the Element (beefed up considerably), but not a smaller Ridgeline; and that certainly could have a 4-cylinder diesel.
 
If anything, I would hope to see more body styles offered on the next generation Ridgeline, one being a regular cab model with an 8' bed. With fuel prices the way they are there's a HUGE opportunity for the smaller mid-size trucks to become to become the "next 1/2-tons," and Honda is in a perfect position to cash in on this.
 
The need for a work-friendly truck will not disappear with high fuel prices. The Ridgeline, unlike any other mid-size truck, is already wide enough to handle 4' wide plywood flat on the bed floor. What's missing is a bed long enough to carry plywood with the tailgate closed. If Honda's smart they will offer something like that.
 
Bob

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