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Outlander vs CX-7 vs Tribeca

263 messages,  Last post on Sep 19, 2007 at 8:05 AM

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What is this discussion about? Mazda CX-7, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Car Comparisons, SUV

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#255 of 263 Re: ALG List is current [chelentano] by ateixeira

Sep 18, 2007 (10:36 am)

Replying to: chelentano (Sep 18, 2007 9:57 am)
You must be a gambling man.
 
If your Outlander is totalled tomorrow, the insurance payout will be much smaller than it would be for a similarly priced (when new) RAV4.
 
It's true right now. We don't have to wait until 2012.
 
That may change if most Outlander owners are as happy as you seem to be.

#256 of 263 Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [ateixeira] by dodo2

Sep 18, 2007 (10:59 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 8:24 am)
I know this discussion is in the wrong spot. There is another separate thread regarding this comparison, but wired enough, not too many RAV4 or CRV owners there either.
 
I would not argue the resale value argument, which obviously is favorable to the RAV4 (in absolute value), but again, it shouldn't be a factor in the car magazines comparisons. The magazines should compare the actual cars, based on the “on-hand” data not market speculations, personal preference or other subjective factors. These types of assessments belong to the buyer.
 
When I was shopping, I looked at the resale value projections and the purchase price on the Canadian market for the CRV, RAV4 and Outlander. I have to mention that the Canadian market is significantly different from the US market.
The conclusion was that I would have had to pay in excess of $5,000 more for a RAV4 or a CRV to get the features I wanted in my car (some still not available at this price difference). I did not’t think that in 5+ years the higher resale value of the RAV4 or CRV would cover the initial purchase price difference.
 
The truth is that the CRV wasn't really a contender due to the lack of a V6 option (aside from its ugly exterior and minivan dashboard - this is a personal opinion), but I still had it in my comparison, just to give me a full perspective. FYI: My evaluation also included the SantaFe and the CX7. I love the CX-7 (I have one in my diecast models collection ), but the engine was the major deal breaker for the type of vehicle I was looking for.

#257 of 263 Re: ALG List is current [ateixeira] by dodo2

Sep 18, 2007 (11:18 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 10:36 am)
That may change if most Outlander owners are as happy as you seem to be.
 
If you judge by the owners’ posts on various Outlander forums, I think it's safe to say that over 90% of the Outlander owners are indeed happy with their cars so far.
There were very few minor problems with the car for its first year in North America and Mitsubishi was very quick in addressing them. What's not to be happy about?
Of course, it's still too early to rate its long-term reliability, but so far so good. Fingers crossed.

#258 of 263 Re: ALG List is current [ateixeira] by chelentano

Sep 18, 2007 (11:22 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 10:36 am)
>> You must be a gambling man. If your Outlander is totalled tomorrow, the insurance payout will be much smaller than it would be for a similarly priced (when new) RAV4.
 
I would consider an event as gambling, when I have one chance for unfortunate event out of two, or in some cases out of 100 or so. The possibility of my car being totaled is based on very large assumption of yours and would not qualify as gambling. I mean do you consider driving as gambling? If your car would be totaled, quite likely you would not even know about it, or at least your would not care about a difference in your car "insurance payout". Fight for you life will be the only a fixation on your mind

#259 of 263 Re: ALG List is current [chelentano] by ateixeira

Sep 18, 2007 (1:26 pm)

Replying to: chelentano (Sep 18, 2007 11:22 am)
The gambling reference was in response to the idea that the expectation was that resale would improve significantly.
 
Any how, I agree that a purchase choice should be made primarily on the merits of a test drive, and a personal evaluation. Never mind what the reviews say.
 
After all, do you recall Time magazine's review of Titanic?
 
They called it "Dead in the Water".

#260 of 263 Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [ateixeira] by aviboy97

Sep 18, 2007 (2:31 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 17, 2007 2:31 pm)
That's the clincher for a lot of folks, the 2GR engine is both powerful AND efficient.
 
Transmission gearing also has a say in how many MPG's you get. Toyota has figured out a happy median between performance and just cruising. Most Toyota drivers do not drive as aggressive as say a Mazda buyer, so, Toyota can focus more on economy, rather then performance their main priority. Mazda is notorious for having higher gearing at higher speed which effects it's highway MPG's. The benefit is your engine is ready to push, which fits the "zoom-zoom" way of building a car.
 
My Mazda6 2.3L is turning almost 3,500 rpm's at 70 mph and I get 30mpg's. If the engine was turning 3,000 rpm's at that speed, I bet you I would get 32-34 mpg's.

#261 of 263 Re: ALG List is current [ateixeira] by chelentano

Sep 18, 2007 (2:34 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 1:26 pm)
Yeap, and I also remember:
 
"I think there is a world market for about 5 computers" - Thomas Watson (Chairman of IBM), 1943
 
640k ought to be enough for everyone" - Bill Gates on computer memory, 1981
 
...and finally about cars:
 
"With over 50 foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto industry isn't like to carve out a big slice of the US market" - Business Week, 1968

#262 of 263 Re: ALG List is current [chelentano] by ateixeira

Sep 19, 2007 (8:05 am)

Replying to: chelentano (Sep 18, 2007 2:34 pm)
The 640k comment is the one that really cracks me up!
 
Critics will be critics. Often I feel they want to be seen as fiercely independent so they'll be overly critical of a car.
 
A good example is Jeremy Clarkson, he's hyper-critical in an attempt to be funny, but some times it just comes off as mean.

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