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Outlander vs CX-7 vs Tribeca

263 messages,  Last post on Sep 19, 2007 at 7:05 AM

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What is this discussion about? Mazda CX-7, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [carlitos92] by chelentano
Sep 17, 2007 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: carlitos92 (Sep 17, 2007 3:13 pm)

Another list of excuses. Sure, if your car does not have all these features, then you don't need them. 20-30 years ago people used to say this kind of excuses about the lack of power windows and auto transmission.
 
Outlander is a much better balanced car as a package, and it has more power vs. CRV and Rogue, and it has as much power as Lexus RX330 while it's equipped as well as RX350.
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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [chelentano] by carlitos92
Sep 17, 2007 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Sep 17, 2007 4:41 pm)

Another broken-record response. Sure, if your car has these features, then everybody must want them, and that makes your car better.
 
It's okay that the Outlander has more power than the CR-V. The Mitsu probably needs that power to carry around its 300 extra pounds.
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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [carlitos92] by dodo2
Sep 17, 2007 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: carlitos92 (Sep 17, 2007 5:28 pm)

I guess 32.5% power increase (166hp vs. 220 hp) and 26.7% torque increase (161 vs. 204 lb. ft.) is enough to move aprox. 8.5% more mass (less than 300lb. more for a fully loaded Outlander) with power to spare.
The Outlander is anything but underpowered.
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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [dodo2] by ateixeira
Sep 18, 2007 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: dodo2 (Sep 17, 2007 2:10 pm)

The comparo is about which one is the best OVERALL package
 
True, but this thread doesn't even list the RAV4, so there aren't any RAV4 owners here to defend their vehicle and list the things they like about it.
 
Not really a fair fight, eh?
 
I'm sure one of the first things a RAV4 owner might bring up is resale values, ALG gives the RAV4 a best-possible 5 stars, while the Outlander trails substantially with only 2:
 
https://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx
 
I looked up Edmunds TCO (Limited AWD for both) and again the RAV4 costs less over 5 years, 55 cents per mile vs. 60 cents per mile on the Mitsu.
 
I will say this - this makes a used Outlander appear to be a rather incredible bargain.
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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [ateixeira] by chelentano
Sep 18, 2007 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 7:24 am)

>> True, but this thread doesn't even list the RAV4, so there aren't any RAV4 owners here to defend their vehicle and list the things they like about it.
 Not really a fair fight, eh?

 
I agree, but HOST is the one in the first place, who brought the comparo article here. This discussion is belong to that thread.
  
 
>> I'm sure one of the first things a RAV4 owner might bring up is resale values, ALG gives the RAV4 a best-possible 5 stars, while the Outlander trails substantially with only 2:
  
That rating is based on old RAV and 1st generation Outlander. We can only speculate, what the resale value would be for new RAV and new Outlander. Note, for instance, that the owner satisfaction ratings (MSN, Yahoo, Edmunds) dropped for the new RAV, but increased for the new Outlander.
  
 
>> I will say this - this makes a used Outlander appear to be a rather incredible bargain.
 
Sure, but even the new one, equipped as well as RX350, appear to be a rather incredible bargain.
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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [chelentano] by ateixeira
Sep 18, 2007 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Sep 18, 2007 7:51 am)

Not really, ALG updates that list regularly. Those ratings are for current models.
 
Lease companies actually use ALG ratings to come up with actual residual values.
 
The reason this is important is that when those leases are up, these off-lease vehicles hit the used car market. If you sell yours, you will be competing with those same off-lease used vehicles. The Outlander will be priced lower.
 
The numbers are very real-world applicable for this exact reason.
 
Edmunds' TCO is also for the new models, not the old ones.
 
Plus, the Outlander and RAV4 have been out for a while now, they're not exactly brand new.
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ALG List is current by ateixeira
Sep 18, 2007 (7:56 am)
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Look again, the Saturn Outlook is already on there, and that's newer than the RAV4 or the Outlander.
 
The list is current. The new Outlander is rated at just 2 stars. Off-lease vehicles will be cheap used, a bargain IMO as I stated earlier.
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Re: ALG List is current [ateixeira] by chelentano
Sep 18, 2007 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 7:56 am)

There is not much resale going on for the new Outlander, all the cars out there are less then one year old, so there is no reliable resale data.
 
The ALG web site specifically says that the ratings "based on 2006 model year vehicles".
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Re: Recent Edmunds Comparo [ateixeira] by rcpax
Sep 18, 2007 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 7:54 am)

If they turn out cheaper as used, then the next buyer really wins. This vehicle is a champ, very good package overall. Perhaps then people will buy good value used Outlanders in greater numbers. It's already the best value when sold new, how much more when slightly used off-lease. I still have to see some figures though on owners who decide to buy it after lease. I bought mine for keeps so resale value don't bother me a bit.
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Re: ALG List is current [chelentano] by ateixeira
Sep 18, 2007 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Sep 18, 2007 8:09 am)

Right, but lease companies are using these same numbers to calculate residuals on 2007 and pretty soon 2008 models.
 
It's a bit optimistic to assume those will change dramatically, especially when the off-lease Outlanders hitting the used car market will be priced based on those residuals.
 
Oddly enough, there was no 2006 Saturn Outlook.

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