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263 messages, Last post on Sep 19, 2007 at 7:05 AM
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Replying to: chelentano (Aug 27, 2007 4:50 pm) “the engine's real-world power delivery is its Achilles' heel. The delayed throttle response and raspy sounds are simply out of place”. CR doesn't say there's anything wrong with the engine, only the way it delivers power, which in a turbocharged engine is controlled by a computer (ECU). I don't know why I'm wasting time explaining what two or three others have already tried, but your argument about the CX-7's engine and its reliability is absurd. I have a programmer for my turbocharged Subaru that allows me to increase hp/torque given the situation, or shut off boost from the turbo altogether. If I shut off boost the engine will feel vastly different; it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it, or that the turbo is malfunctioning. It is only doing what it's been programmed to do. In this situation it sounds like Mazda's factory ECU map was not optimized for a smooth powerband, which instead lead to sudden surges of power. There's nothing inherently wrong with that for certain kinds of cars or driving styles, but for a family-oriented CUV it isn't ideal, as it makes the car less livable in daily driving situations. Mazda should be commended for offering to change the programming for existing owners.
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Replying to: chelentano (Aug 27, 2007 4:50 pm) Yes, if there's blame to be laid, Mazda should have had the throttle map right out of the gate on a new car, without having to redesign the engine software after several months of production. The hassle is that dealers don't always automatically reflash the ECU, and so there might be customers who didn't know about the reflash and didn't request it, and subsequently still have the laggy response. If CR re-ran their test, I suspect those comments would go away completely. But the engine they wrote about is just as reliable as the one in the new CX-7s, and the power delivery issues were only a "personality trait" of the vehicle that was not appropriate.
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Replying to: carlitos92 (Aug 27, 2007 8:15 pm) |
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Replying to: dstew1 (Aug 27, 2007 6:28 pm) |
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Replying to: chelentano (Aug 27, 2007 5:10 pm)
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20481879/ New, online article by MSNBC discusses the new ratings - stating that SUVs, as a class, are doing much better and garnering some nice ratings from the NHTSA. CX-7, CX-9, & Tribeca for both 2007 and 2008 garnered top scores in all tested categories. Strangely, the Outlander isn't even rated, for either year, for any category. Wonder why? 
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Replying to: vbbuilt (Aug 28, 2007 4:20 pm) Well, because there are too many these testing organizations. The Outlander was not tested by NHTSA, but was tested for Frontal Offset Crash Test by IIHS. It have earned top rating in 6 out of 7 categories: Frontal Offset Crash Test by IIHS So it just happened that MSN wrote about NHTSA rating, and speaking of MSN, consumers/owners there gave the Outlander high rating of 9.5. CX-7 rated by owners at 9.1.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 28, 2007 5:51 am) CR "Top Picks" (1st category) and "Recommended" (2nd category) are vehicles that have met requirements in three key areas: Road Testing, Safety Testing, and Reliability. In terms of reliability, the requirement is only "average or better in reliability". So CR Top Picks are not just about reliability. The Outlander has not completed full cycle of testing, so it can not be recommended yet.
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Replying to: chelentano (Aug 28, 2007 6:49 pm) Nor the CX-7. They are both too new. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Aug 28, 2007 5:55 pm) CX-7 rated by owners at 9.1. I think you have posted that many times here. The site you are posting on, Edmunds, seems to think the CX-7 is quite dandy as well. In a recent comparo, they picked the CX-7 over the newly redesigned RAV-4(Top Pick by CR) and Hyundai Santa Fe in on and off road capability. Yes, I know the Outlander is not in this list to be compared. But, I thought I would share it anyway.
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