Last post on Sep 19, 2007 at 7:05 AM
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Mazda CX-7, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Car Comparisons, SUV
#101 of 263 Re: Residual Values [rcpax]
Aug 18, 2007 (11:14 am)
Yes. People unassociated with the company dictate what it is worth. The only residual value the company can dictate is the one they designate for a lease value. Nissan used to put extremely high residuals on their vehicles for leasing, and it cost them big time when they took them back. They were not worth what they took them back for.
If you are planing on driving an Outlander until the wheels fall off, then there is no reason to think about what the residual value might be. By then, it's not worth anything, anyways!
Mitsu has been making a come back. They do make decent vehicles as well. The new Lancer and Outlander have really helped. They just need to get the Galant back on track, and they should do well. Mitsubishi right now is where Mazda was back in 2001-2003. They needed a new company philosophy, and look what it has done for them. Mazda is really striving, making money, and putting out a great product.
#102 of 263 Re: Residual Values [aviboy97]
Aug 18, 2007 (6:30 pm)
I, too, see Mitsubishi somehow following Mazda's strategy: build attractive cars and the sales will follow. I bought a Mazda3 2.3L back in 2005 because it looked great and it was the best bang for the buck by far. I felt about the same when I bought my Outlander.
If Mitsu continues to improve its line-up and the build quality of their vehicles (get rid of the low budget bits), they will succeed. I hope the Outlander and the Lancer are only the beginning of a new direction and I tend to believe this is the real Mitsubishi, without Chrysler's (bad) influence.
However, it will take few years of sustained effort and good products across the board until they could really see a significant change in the market perception. Mazda's success didn't happen over night either.
Mitsubishi needs a new Galant, Eclipse, Endeavor and they need to bring over the Colt (subcompact) and perhaps the Grandis (mini-minivan).
#103 of 263 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit
Aug 18, 2007 (8:26 pm)
Read the magazine reviews on 08 tribeca. it is far superior performing vehicle than most SUVs with most effective AWD.
I honestly think CX-7 and Outlander don't even come close.
#104 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [sweet_subie]
Aug 18, 2007 (11:27 pm)
I stopped reading magazine reviews a long time ago. I can never trust a guy who earns a living reviewing the products of a company that pays for their products to be reviewed. The only review I trust is my own. I've test driven most of the 07 Outlander's closest competitors (among them RAV4, CRV, CX-7), and nothing comes close to the handling, IMO anyways.
The 08 Tribeca, similarly equipped with the 07 Outlander XLS with Navi etc, easily costs 36K$. No thanks, I'll stick with the Outlander XLS for 30.6K$ sticker, which I got for 28K$ (some buyers got it for 26K$). It's really nice to say that X is better than Y, but I don't really take opinions seriously from people who are not in the market for a new SUV. Testimonials from actual buyers of the Outlander can attest to the words "most bang for the buck". See here: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0fda72.f0fda3a/552
And in the Japanese market, the Outlander outsold the RAV-4 and CRV for a few months in a row after its debut. I didn't even see the Tribeca being named as a serious competitor in the SUV segment in Japan. But that's just my 0.02$ worth. I know some people are passionate for a particular brand and model, same as I am.
#105 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [sweet_subie]
Aug 19, 2007 (1:34 am)
>> 08 tribeca. it is far superior performing vehicle than most SUVs with most effective AWD
What’s so superior? Still only 5-speed outdated transmission, horrible gas mileage, only half of Mitsubishi’s warranty, no Auto-AWD mode, no FAST Key, no Keyless Start, no MP3 music server, only 130 watt stereo (vs. 650 watt on Outlander), and no Bluetooth!
Here is the Zdnet review of Tribeca: “we weren't pleased with the fuel economy. With the seven-passenger configuration, legroom was cramped in the middle row. As an alternative, the Land Rover LR2 costs about the same, and gives you off-road capabilities and Bluetooth cell phone integration. We recently reviewed the Mitsubishi Outlander, which costs substantially less, has more cabin tech, and gets better mileage.”
Also the superiority of Subaru’s AWD system is a myth. Do you have any hard data to support your claim? Any independent tests or rally results? Mitsubishi for instance does have the best record in the world toughest off-road completion, which requires really good AWD system. Last year Mitsubishi won 1st place (7th year in a row) and 2nd place in 2007 Dakar Rally, while Subaru did not even made the top 50.
#106 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [sweet_subie]
Aug 19, 2007 (4:25 am)
"I honestly think CX-7 and Outlander don't even come close. "
They don't come close because they belong to different class; therefore any comparison is empty talk.
While Subaru has a great AWD system, so does Mitsubishi. A comparison between the two manufacturers' AWD systems depends on the application. The results may vary, so saying that one AWD system is absolutely better than the other may not be true.
Subaru vs. Mitsubishi battle will take place in the compact sport sedan class: Impreza WRX vs. Lancer Ralliart and Impreza WRX STi vs. Lancer Evo X and it will be a very interesting one. So far, Mitsubishi seems to win the "beauty contest".
#107 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [sweet_subie]
Aug 20, 2007 (6:12 am)
I really don't consider CX-7 in the same class as the Tribeca, although they do have similarities. The CX-9 is more in the same class as the Tribeca, and the CX-9 is superior to the Tribeca in many ways. Passenger room (by far!), standard features, HP, handling, acceleration, breaking, styling (which is subjective). The Subi does have a more advanced AWD system, but, it does not always translate into better handling. Read the Mazdaspeed6 vs Legacy GT Spec B comparo. The Speed6 out handles the GT, by far. Both of those vehicles utilize the same AWD systems in their SUV's.
#108 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [chelentano]
Aug 21, 2007 (8:59 am)
superior as in ride quality, fit & finish, safety rating etc. and not in extra features.
Yes, subaru AWD is superior, hard data is my practical experience with driving in 2 major blizzards - most cars with AWD/4WDs were spinning while i was cruising. In fact, the most cars on the road that day were subarus. I never shovelled my Outback -no matter how much snow there is. go to youtube.com and see some videos of subaru performing in bad weather.
you may quote ZDNet on car reviews (frankly they are not well known for cars as much they are for computers). i would like to quote you caranddriver triebca review saying if you close your eyes and drive you would swear that you are driving an X5.
And subarus last forever - 95% of all subarus sold in the last 10 years still on road. The only brand with every model line with maximum safety raing in its class.
i have owned subarus since 1994. I also owned a gallant in late 90s - i will never go back to mitsubishi because of my experience with the gallant.
#109 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [aviboy97]
Aug 21, 2007 (9:01 am)
i agree. they are not the same. i looked at CX-9 closely, though being an SUV, it drives like minivan. i owned an MPV which traded-in for tribeca became so bad in 5 years with only 40k miles on it - my wife would never allow me to go back to mazda.
subarus are well built cars and you can see it when it is aging - after 4-5 years. it will run like new
#110 of 263 Re: 2008 Tribeca changes the equation quite a bit [sweet_subie]
Aug 21, 2007 (9:04 am)
"Yes, subaru AWD is superior, hard data is my practical experience with driving in 2 major blizzards"
Actually, your practical experience would be considered anecdotal at best - not hard data that was collected by professionals under controlled tests.