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#113 of 121 Re: CRV or Rav4? [piast] by comem47 Aug 25, 2009 (12:27 pm)
Replying to: piast (Aug 25, 2009 11:11 am) While old habits are hard to break (I even ordered a stick for my V8 Dakota back in '98 not for speed, but preference) I think it's a dream to think the 5 speed stick 4 cyl CRV is going to out accelerate the 220 HP 6 speed auto V6 Outlander.   Honda doesn't even offer a stick now (2009)anyway. So with currently available vehicles it's    166 HP 5 speed auto 4 cyl at 3549 lbs for the 4WD CRV to  220 HP 6 speed auto V6 at 3781 lbs for the 4WD Outlander. (you can manually paddle shift at the wheel if you want).   But go ahead, flail away!!! and take on the 269 HP RAV 4 while at it.
#114 of 121 Apples to apples by motoguy128 Aug 25, 2009 (1:07 pm)
I think he's comparing 4 cylinder models here... with similar equipment, pricing and fuel economy.   I think he's also comparing the lighter Gen 2.5 with the 5 speed manual.   So not really a fair comparison all around.   It's not a secret that the 3rd genration CR-V won't win any races. But most folks that buy Hondas but them for the all around package, not the raw power under the hood.   If a RAV4 had the same steering, brakes and ergonomics as the CR-V, and didn't have the weird interior styling, I would consider it.   Also, peak horsepower numbers don't show how a engine performs in the bottom end and midrange where it's driving in the real world 99% of the time. I don't spend all day redlining my CR-V. Replies to this message: comem47 (Aug 25, 2009 2:27 pm) motoguy128 (Aug 26, 2009 2:15 am) comem47 (Aug 26, 2009 3:39 am) and 1 more...
#115 of 121 Re: Apples to apples [motoguy128] by comem47 Aug 25, 2009 (2:27 pm)
Replying to: motoguy128 (Aug 25, 2009 1:07 pm) If you read article 102 he made the boast:   "I'll just keep my 05 He-RV with a clutch and run circles around V6 powered SheUV's." (Impliing a stick is more important than displacement).   Torque is what is key (hp can be peaky, but low end torque is what accelerates from a rest and makes a vehicle more drivable in traffic vs high rpm rice rocket that needs to slip the clutch at 5K to move from rest.) Replies to this message: motoguy128 (Aug 26, 2009 2:15 am) comem47 (Aug 26, 2009 3:39 am) toomanyfumes (Aug 26, 2009 3:23 pm)
#116 of 121 Re: CRV or Rav4? [motoguy128] by lori56 Aug 25, 2009 (5:10 pm)
Replying to: motoguy128 (Aug 19, 2009 10:11 am) Yes, I also find that in most cars my left leg goes numb, but in the '09 CRV, I am more comfortable, and my leg doesn't lean against the door.... I have a '04 Rav 4, and that car now seems cramped in comparison... I also find the CRV to give a smoother ride...
#117 of 121 Re: Apples to apples [comem47] by motoguy128 Aug 26, 2009 (2:15 am)
Replying to: comem47 (Aug 25, 2009 2:27 pm) Acceleration is a combination of torque and gearing. A V6 making 200 ft-lbs but with a 0.70 gear ratio, will accelerate the same as the same vehcile making 100ft-lbs but with a 1.40 gear ratio. Of course, the smaller engine is running twice the RPM's so they are both rpoducing the same HP.   So yes, torque is the most improtant, but it's the gearing that determines how it accelrates... that's in part how a manual transmission can have an advantage.   To understand it better, consider how quickly a 600cc motorcycle accelerates in 3rd gear at say 10,000 RPM vs. 2nd gear at 10,000 RPM. Both are making the same torque and horsepower, the only difference is how fast they are traveling, and the mechanical advantage available. You'll find that even if you factor out wind drag, a vehcile will accelerate proportional to the gear ratio at a given RPM. Replies to this message: comem47 (Aug 26, 2009 3:39 am) toomanyfumes (Aug 26, 2009 3:23 pm)
#118 of 121 Re: Apples to apples [motoguy128] by comem47 Aug 26, 2009 (3:39 am)
Replying to: motoguy128 (Aug 26, 2009 2:15 am) One upon a time 4 cylinder automatics were so lossy and badly set up that indeed you better have a stick or you couldn't get out of your own way . My sister's auto Pinto back in '73 comes to mind. When it downshifted it would scream as the revs soared, but go no faster! It's a lot different today with much better designed 4 cylinder autos, and I know I couldn't out-shift my 6 speed auto in the V6 Outlander. I know I also prefer towing in an auto, so much easier in stop and go traffic. Replies to this message: toomanyfumes (Aug 26, 2009 3:23 pm)
#119 of 121 Re: Apples to apples [comem47] by toomanyfumes Aug 26, 2009 (3:23 pm)
Replying to: comem47 (Aug 26, 2009 3:39 am) The six-speed auto in the V6 Outlander is programmed great for shifting when you need power, lower rpm's for cruising, etc. I've always liked stickshifts, but I don't miss it at all in my Outlander.
#120 of 121 Re: CRV or Rav4? [piast] by dronestudios Aug 26, 2009 (6:20 pm)
Replying to: piast (Aug 25, 2009 11:11 am) When making comparisons, we need to fairly compare the inline four cylinder versions of each vehicle.   ******************   According to Consumer Guide to Auto, the 2008 Mitsubishi I4 clocks in at 9.4 seconds from 0-60.   Link   And according to the test data from Motor Trend for the 2008 models, it appears the CR-V and RAV4s inline four engines perform pretty much on par with each other...with a slight edge to the CR-V's 0-60 in 9.2 seconds compared to RAV4's 0-60 in 9.5 seconds. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the report for the 2009 RAV4 I4 which has added horsepower up to 179 rpm, nor the 2009 CR-V report. I would say all the comparable I4s have similar acceleration.   2008 Toyota RAV4 I4   Link   TEST DATA Acceleration to mph 0-30 3.3 sec 0-40 4.8 0-50 7 0-60 9.5 0-70 12.2 0-80 16.5 Passing, 45-65 mph 5.0 sec Quarter mile 17.1 sec 81.5 mph Braking, 60-0 mph 123 ft Lateral acceleration 0.71 g (avg) MT figure eight 30.0 sec 0.52 g (avg) Top-gear revs 60 mph 2200 rpm   ************************************   2008 Honda CR-V I4   Link   TEST DATA Acceleration to mph 0-30 3.0 sec 0-40 4.6 0-50 6.7 0-60 9.2 0-70 12.2 0-80 16.6 Passing, 45-65 mph 4.8 sec Quarter mile 17.0 sec 81.1 mph Braking, 60-0 mph 134 ft Lateral acceleration 0.76 (avg) MT figure eight 28.8 sec 0.56 g (avg) Top-gear revs 60 mph 1900 rpm Replies to this message: comem47 (Aug 26, 2009 7:49 pm)
#121 of 121 Re: CRV or Rav4? [dronestudios] by comem47 Aug 26, 2009 (7:49 pm)
Replying to: dronestudios (Aug 26, 2009 6:20 pm) "When making comparisons, we need to fairly compare the inline four cylinder versions of each vehicle."   Normally yes, but in this case, No.   What started this conversation is a statement someone made about how their 2005 4 cylinder CRV with a stick would smoke any V6 CUV automatic.   It's truly apples to oranges, but there you have it.

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