Last post on Jan 09, 2008 at 7:27 PM
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Toyota Camry, Sedan
#35 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [chuck28]
Dec 20, 2007 (4:03 am)
Um, I think if our friend Dwayne were really trying to "sell cars", he wouldn't be posting so frequently about his, um, over-enthusiastic maintenance schedule!
I think your point is that we should hear from those who have actually experienced the flare on whether a test drive will show the problem - makes sense to me.
#36 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [pat]
Dec 20, 2007 (8:39 pm)
Hello Pat, I can't agree with your answers. First of all I think it was mentioned in a recent post and something I agree with is that dealerships make more money off the servicing of a car than the sale it's self.
I also don't understand your answer to the point that a test drive would not determine if the car has the flare problem. If you test drive a car and it does not flare does not mean it does not have the problem. My car only flared once in the morning and once in the evening. Point was the car has to come off a cold start and the flare cannot usually be repeated until the next cold start.
Most test drives don't take place with a cold start.
Anyhow, Merry Christmas!
#37 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [chuck28]
Dec 21, 2007 (5:01 am)
I am not pro Toyota! The only reasons why I own a Toyota Camry today are as follows: 1.) The Honda Accord seating quality was killing my body.---- and ---- 2.) I could not get an "in stock" Buick or Chevrolet Impala, (in New Jersey), with the required color & trim package. The Toyota Camry was third on the list of desired vehicles. I wanted to purchase an American brand name in place of my Honda Accord. Yes, ---- I earn my living in sales, but I do not sell Toyotas.
From what I have been reading about this problem, the "flare" is just part of the issue. Some owners are commenting about the "shift pattern" when accelerating onto a highway, or quick acceleration / braking issues in passing situations.
If you truly want to purchase a new Camry. Go to a Toyota dealer and discuss your concerns about the "flare issue" with the sales person at the dealership. Tell him / her that you will purchase the vehicle if it does not have the problem! --Select a vehicle that you want to purchase from their new vehicle holding lot. Ask for a set of dealer plates, and take that vehicle for a ride! If is does not have the problem, you have just bought yourself a new vehicle. When I purchased my Camry, I took a test ride on the vehicle that I was purchasing. YES, it was a cold start of the vehicle!
Best regards. ----- Dwayne
#38 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [chuck28]
Dec 21, 2007 (8:58 am)
Hi Chuck. I don't think you understood my post. I was supporting your post except for the fact that you said Dwayne was trying to sell cars. I do not believe that. Otherwise I was just suggesting that someone who has experienced the flare issue would be the most helpful in telling us how to determine whether a particular car has it.
I did not say anywhere that a test drive would (or would not) determine if the car has the flare problem. Read it again.
#39 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [pat]
Dec 21, 2007 (10:03 pm)
Hello Pat, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I think the bottom line is that there are cars with these problems but Toyota has not come out publicly to tell us they have a problem nor have they told us they don't have the problem.
I can assure you they have a problem. Atleast my 07 v-6 Camry does.
I said it before Buyer Beware!!!
Merry Christmas!!! Chuck
#40 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [chuck28]
Dec 22, 2007 (7:37 am)
Chuck, I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. If you are dissatisfied with your Camry go to arbitration and have them buy it back. Plain and simple.
Yes, I do sell Toyotas and also drive what I sell. I've owned three Camrys and would buy another one in a heartbeat, even without test driving to check for the so called "flare". This flare is nothing but the transmission shifting quickly into the next gear.
#41 of 54 V6 ownership costs
Dec 22, 2007 (2:23 pm)
Potential buyers of the Toyota 3.5L V6 (found in the Sienna, Avalon and Camry) need be aware of the high repair costs that are associated with this engine.
On page 9 of the factory service manual, it states the instructions for water pump removal.
Replacing the water pump on the Toyota 3.5L V6 require engine and transaxle removal!
For those of us who plan to keep this vehicle for as long as possible (200k+), it's very likely that we'll have to replace the water pump at least once. With this design, replacing the water pump is likely to be very, very expensive, possibly at least twice the amount it costs to replace the timing belt and water pump on a Honda 3.5L V6.
This is something that potential buyers of the Toyota 3.5L V6 need to keep in mind.
#42 of 54 Re: V6 ownership costs [sodaguy]
Dec 23, 2007 (6:30 am)
Good Morning sodaguy:
Thank you for sharing this information with regards to the water pump on the 3.5 V6 Toyota engine. Because of issues like this, I always purchase a 6 year / 100,000 miles / top of the line manufacturers extended warranty when I purchase a new vehicle. I easily put on 20,000 miles a year, so in five years, (or sooner), I will have 100,000 miles. During that period of time & mileage, I expect to replace a water pump, alternator, and / or an A/C compressor. I guess the water pump repair will pay for the total cost of the extended warranty! I will not own this vehicle past 100,000 miles. Vehicles without an extended warranty are just too expensive to repair!
When I owned the 2003 Honda Accord, the vehicle was great untill it hit 50,000 miles. Between 50,000 miles and 80,000 + miles, the Honda extended warranty put $3,300.00 worth of repairs into the vehicle. The A/C compressor was $1,000.00 dollars.
Best regards & Happy Holidays! ------------ Dwayne
#43 of 54 Camry 03 Vs Camry 08 Buying Decision - Help needed
Jan 06, 2008 (7:32 pm)
I will greatly appreciate your advice/coments on helping me decide to buy my next car after I had an accident.
I have to decide on these two cars as my 02 Camry was declared a total loss.
Camry 03 has 36600 miles - Desert Sand
Camry 05 has 60000 miles - Sky Blue Pearl
Both the cars have these options and are certified from toyota (3mo/3000 mile bumber-bumber, 7yr/100000 mile power train).
Power Door Locks
Remote Trunk Release
Additional Power Outlet(s)
Climate Control - Auto
Heated Front Seats
Power Driver Seat
Power Passenger Seat
Arm Rest - Rear
Center Arm Rest
5 Passenger Seating
Roof - Power Moon
Mirrors-w Turn Signals
Body Side Molding
Trip Odometer -Dual
Air Bag - Driver
Air Bag - Passenger
Air Bags - Head
Air Bags - Side
Rear Shoulder Harness
Front Disc Brakes
Front Wheel Drive
Rear Disc Brakes
I am in a delimma on the color vs power train warranty for 03 and 05. I do not drive much to work and expect to put around 5000 miles per year. Would buying the 03 be a good decision ?
Thanks in advance for your response.
#44 of 54 03 vs 05
Jan 07, 2008 (2:30 pm)
well... its hard to make a decision based on the info provided. for example, there are no prices, so if the 03 cost 200.00 and the 05 13,000.00 I think id take the 03, lol.... We cant help you till we know what you're going to pay, and overall condition of the 2 cars. BTW, i just purchased an 03 with 38,000 miles on it. LE 4 cyl Auto for 11,000.00 I love it, go look under camry mpg, I'm getting great gas mileage.
p.s. Give us the rest of the info and we'll help ypu...thx