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#25 of 54 Re: WHY buy a Camry instead of another Sienna? [hansienna]
Aug 27, 2007 (9:00 pm)
Don't get me wrong. We love our Sienna and would use it for some of our trips but not all. It is a 2000 XLE V6 and we have had not a single problem with it through its 135,000 miles. It is very comfortable, has power to spare and handles like a dream. Best car we've ever had! We'll likely use the Camry on most trips, however, because of anticipated better gas mileage. And we are expecting it to be very comfortable and roomy enough for the 2 of us as well. We don't really need or want a second mini-van, even if it is a Sienna. And we're not about to get rid of the one we have. We'll ditch my 2001 Saturn L300 instead when we get the Camry.
#26 of 54 GOOD reason to buy a Camry instead of another Sienna? [des92056]
Aug 28, 2007 (5:12 am)
Easily understood. I would also dump the Saturn and keep the Sienna, and as you write, you don't really need 2 Siennas for just 2 people on a trip.
My wife and I prefer the extra space of the Sienna with gas mileage not much less than a Camry with the same engine BUT we also like to take 2 grandchildren (and sometimes their mother and dad) on long trips.
Some friends have a 4 cyl Camry and V8 Ford Explorer. They drive the Camry most of the time because of much better gas mileage. Comfort means more to my wife and I, so we would drive the Explorer even though the Explorer gas mileage is atrocious compared to a Sienna.
#27 of 54 Re: GOOD reason to buy a Camry instead of another Sienna? [hansienna]
Aug 28, 2007 (12:00 pm)
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate you taking the time to post.
To be honest, most of our driving trips are business and we usually want to just get there, get done and get back. For vacations, we usually fly and rent a car. We don't have grandkids yet but I suppose we will one day and we would take them on vacations with us sometimes. Probably then we would drive and take the Sienna because it is roomier than the Camry will be. I'm pretty convinced we'll go ahead and get the Camry XLE with the V6 engine, though it's not 100% until we go ahead and do it.
Best of wishes to you and yours. Thanks again for your comments.
#28 of 54 Re: 2008 vs 2007 Camry XLE, Camry Hybrid [des92056]
Sep 03, 2007 (1:19 pm)
Stiffer breaks on 2008 LE, XLE V6. The steering/gas seems very little harder (not very noticeable).The feeling of space in 2008 XLE didn't feel as much as 2007.
#29 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [teamtbo]
Dec 16, 2007 (11:09 pm)
It's nice to read that some Camry owners have had their transmission flare problem possibly solved. But I've heard enough Camry V6 owners reporting flare problems so I'm no longer thinking about buying the Camry V6. Would a Camry 4-cylinder be a trustworthy and reliable alternative (assuming one is willing to take the big HP hit)? I ask that question because it seems Toyota has had FWD transaxle problems since 1999. What are the best FWD alternatives to the Camry?
#30 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [carma350]
Dec 18, 2007 (4:46 am)
I have a 2007 V6 XLE Camry with 20,000 + miles, and I DO NOT have the transmission "flare" issue. The vehicle was purchased in January 2007 from a dealer in nothern New Jersey. I think that the Camry is a great vehicle. The problems that you read about on these boards are from a small percentage of vehicles. Based on my Camry, I would consider another Toyota in 2010. Depending on the cost of fuel, I might go with a hybrid or the four cylinder Camry.
Go to a Toyota dealer and test drive the vehicle that you want to purchase. You will know immediately if the vehicle has a "flare issue"! ------ And NO, I do not work for Toyota or a Toyota dealer!
Best regards. ------------- Dwayne
#31 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [djm2]
Dec 19, 2007 (10:59 am)
djm2, thanks for responding. Glad to hear you're having a great experience with your Camry V6.
As a potential buyer of a Toyota V6 / 6-speed powertrain (used in 2008 Camry, 2008 Lexus ES, and 2008 Avalon), the $30,000 (loan-financed) question for me is, what percentage of owners of this Toyota powertrain experience the "flare issue"? Probably nobody but Toyota knows for sure. The range of forum opinions by Toyota V6 owners is pretty wide.
Some owners, such as yourself, have said those experiencing the flare are a "small percentage" (Does "small" mean 0.01%, 0.1%, 1%, 10%, etc.?) On the other hand, one owner said if someone buys a car with this Toyota powertrain, they will probably experience at least the "small flare" (200rpm). How does he know that?
Another concern is, if I buy a car with a powertrain that has the flare (whatever the chance of that is), what is the flare's severity? The range of forum opinions on that has also been wide. Of the owners who experience the flare, some have said it's only a brief tach needle jump and mild engine rev (noticeable only by looking at the tach). But at least one owner said the flare is accompanied by an engine jerking or hesitation. That's a concern. And that's leaving aside the question of what kind of powertrain damage is caused by a (mild or severe) flare problem.
Then there's Toyota's response. So far, it seems the flare issue hasn't been resolved. One owner said Toyota should label the problem by its real name, a transmission "slip," not a "flare" which sounds less critical. Will Toyota resolve the problem within another year? Don't know.
I wish I knew what the true odds were of getting stuck with a car that has the flare. If a car has the flare, it might damage the powertrain, even if Toyota eventually resolves the problem. I'm comparing Camry V6 to competitors, even thinking of the Camry 4cyl which doesn't seem to have any problems as significant as the V6 flare. I wonder whether the 4cyl provides enough power.
#32 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [carma350]
Dec 19, 2007 (11:24 am)
I'd personally go with the 4-cylinder. It's got plenty of power, based on my experience with two Camrys from the prior generation. Try before you buy though.
#33 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [210delray]
Dec 19, 2007 (6:50 pm)
Ok, I'll have to test drive it. Thanks.
#34 of 54 Re: Update on Resolution of Flare Problem [djm2]
Dec 19, 2007 (7:45 pm)
Hello Dwayne, in all due respect I think you are leading people on. I know you have been pro Toyota since I have been reading your post.
The fact of the matter is that you cannot just go and test drive a Camry and know if it has the problem?
The car has to be sitting for a long enough period of time maybe 8 hours to notice the flare and it might not happen everytime you start off.
Most test drives are not done from a cold start seeing someone usally drives up the car for you before your test drive.
I think you are trying to sell cars?