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Sedans BMW 5-Series BMW 528xi vs. Audi A6 Q vs. Lexus GS 350 AWD
20 messages, Last post on Dec 12, 2008 at 2:51 PM
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Replying to: caoyijian (Jun 04, 2007 4:52 am) m-
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Replying to: macdad (Jun 22, 2007 1:31 pm) |
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You know..., I've been hearing where various BMWs have performed less than satisfactorily on many IIHS crashes for at least a decade, and yet, insurance company actuarial data suggests that BMWs are just about the safest cars one can drive these days. Geez, my brand new 2002 530i with an MSRP of nearly $49,000 was as inexpensive to insure as our (then) four year old Dodge Grand Caravan. I asked my agent why it was so inexpensive to insure and she said, "They're hard to steal and they're safe to be in when in an accident." So, why the disconnect? The best explanation that I've heard is that BMW engineers engineer their cars to be safe in many, many scenarios, IIHS tests be damned. Sometimes the IIHS tests coincide with their analysis of what is safe, and the car gets a good score on that test, some times the tests don't. I liken this situation in a weird way to the whole Hybrid debacle, Hybrids it seems were developed to exploit the flawed EPA mileage testing, and as such these cars were released to the market with obscenely exaggerated mileage numbers, numbers that the cars cannot hope to achieve in real world driving. Meanwhile, cars like the BMWs that I have driven have had absolutely no problem exceeding their EPA ratings, even at extra legal speeds. Long story short, I'll gladly take my chances in a BMW, even in a side impact collision. Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: shipo (Aug 20, 2007 8:50 am) When I bought my GS, I was contemplating BMW 5/3 as well. However, insurance quotes were 15-20% more for the Bimmers.
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Aug 20, 2007 3:39 pm) Really, if I like the Lexus GS cause it's safe, reliable and rather fun to drive; which is the most important to me but it cost $400 a year more to insure than an Audi, so I went with an Audi? I just hope my wife would pinch real hard for thinking like that. Even if 20% translate to more that $800 a year, where is the threshold of pain? You are spending money on $50K or more already.
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Replying to: hpia4v2 (Aug 20, 2007 8:03 pm) |
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Replying to: caoyijian (Jun 04, 2007 4:52 am)
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Replying to: 150mphclub (Aug 23, 2007 10:31 am) |
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My 2005 A6 3.2Q with virtually every option was $53,286, leased for $640 for 36 months with no sec dep and no cap cost reduction (from me.) It has NOT been flawless -- but nothing that has gone wrong with the car has cost me a cent. Yet, the car at 42+ thousand miles on it has NOT aged in terms of ride, handling, fit and finish, rattles or what have you. I say this as I have been loaned 2007 A6's while mine was in for service and been able to roll out of the 2007 right into my 2005 and not be able to feel any difference. I have had to replace the tires, Audi replaced ALL of the chrome which had been damaged by US car washes and just today ALL of the brakes were replaced free of charge (the pad light came on.) Early on, the pushbutton starter had to be replaced once per month for the first three months in a row. The A/C is strong enough even for today (110F with the humidity factored in) -- and everything works and looks almost brand new (the leather on the steering wheel is now shiny from my mits wearing it down.) The thing is higher in content than many 2008's from other companies. Even though it is motivated by just 255 HP, the six speed transmission puts it all to great use. The 50 50 torque split never offers up torque steer and it can be pushed into understeer (offset somewhat by overinflating the front tires -- 39F 36R.) The sound system gets (today) an A-/B+ (for the money) but if you've a couple grand extra you can do better. The gas mileage is fantastic -- must be the FSI engine. Service intervals are 10K. My wife has a 2005 X3 -- all optioned, too. The BMW service is somewhat better (probably regional) than the Audi service in that she can get new wiper blades every 15 minutes if she wants -- Audi won't go that far anymore. No seams have split, no parts have fallen off, the thing is just well screwed together -- this applies to both her BMW and my Audi. I can assume this generalization could apply to other Audis and BMW's. I've rarely read anything bad about the Lexus -- but the car is often damned with faint praise, or "this thing is like driving the nicest sofa you can imagine." I nearly went for the M35X in 2005 -- and I still, to this day, think I would have been satisfied with it, despite its 5 speed auto transmission. More power -- 535xi,fer instance -- would be wonderful. The Audi 4.2 is fantastic but it sucks gas and I can go 80MPH in the 3.2 without breaking a sweat and, after all, even in lil ol Cincinnati, that is about all the traffic will allow (often, as in today, 20MPH was all the traffic would allow.) The sound of the Audi 3.2 at full cry is "almost" like the V8 -- and, getting in a place where full cry is even possible is getting less and less possible, so, whattyagonnado? At this point, I would get the one with the best lease deal and, based on what I have read, go with the one that seemed to "go like a snake in a rat hole" (as my wife says.) I'm not entirely sure I know what that means, but I think it means the one that handles the best wins. I'd be hard pressed to dis the BMW or the Audi -- the Audi feels bigger inside and at the version you are looking at, the Audi will probably feel more powerful. I have extensively test driven the no longer offered 530xi and found it a tiny tiny tiny bit less urgent than the Audi (but the Audi did have the 18" wheel and tire package and the Bimmer at the time had skinny 17"-ers.) The Infiniti M35X is a very nice machine, but TODAY it seems to my eye to need a fresher body style -- the Audi still seems "contemporary" -- and, as usual, the Bimmer is an acquired taste. Food for thought, from an Audi guy. I would look, long and hard, at an all optioned 2008 CTS AWD 3.6 direct injection equipped Cadillac, too. |
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I always thought, a car is a car is a car, get's you from point A to point B. Until I tried a 530i, '94 model year. I ended up buying it (used, can't afford a new one). At 8 years of age and 100K, the car was running circles around many of the newer cars. When I sold the car 5 years and 60 K later, the car was still running circles around so many of the newer cars on the roads. the guy that bought it, was so happy after a test drive, that he could not wipe off a smile off his face. Since that car, I tried other German cars (others are too soft for my newly aqcuired taste), because I thought it would be a sign of bad taste to stick to a single brand - long story short, I am on a 3rd bimmer now... But this is a matter of money and personal preference - my mom tried a bimmer but she preferred an A6. Audi outperforms BMW in many races but BMW is exactly what it is - they try to keep the brand undiluted as much as it is possible in today's market, while many others are sharing the platforms with other sibling brands, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infinity, Honda/Acura, Audi/Volkswagen, Ford/Jaguar/Volvo... BMW in comparison to AUDI is more of a status difference than technological difference... Granted, the price difference is gone into areas that most people don't see and hopefully will never get to use, such as safety features or some crazy engine functions that are more racing functions than everyday driving deals... Also, think about the cost of ownership, during the normal lease duration, all you pay for is the lease payments, any warranty issues are resolved at no cost AND the maintenance is taken care of at no cost as well - this is how BMW is insuring that the dealer keeps a close eye on a car and the car retains its attractiveness on a second hand market, thus insuring higher resale value for a vehicle that allows the manufacturer command a higher price on a new model line-up... Very interesting and intriguing business model that is aimed at the upper consumer level, where the higher profit margins are easily realized... Of course, in the process, you, the consumer, are treated accordingly... Of course, the level of service depends a lot on a specific dealership, but generally speaking, this applies to most dealers. Prime example, in the country where I am at now, there is only one BMW dealer for the whole country - while the monopoly could have had them go nasty on their customers, they know that most people buying their cars are of certain financial value and accordingly hold certain positions within society, therefore they demand certain level of respect... FYI, on one of my bimmers, that was many thousands of miles out warranty, I had missing pixels on the cluster display - BMW NA had replaced the $1000 cluster for the cost of labor of $120, as a goodwill gesture to its customer base. Just my 2 cents... 
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