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Re: Speaking of AWD [fedlawman] by roadburner
Dec 11, 2007 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 11, 2007 8:43 pm)

If I were looking for an AWD sports car, this is the one I would choose (and I would very possibly choose it over the RWD 335i/135i). Subaru's Driver Controlled Center Differential really is the way to go. In manual mode, the driver can select any of 5 preset front/rear torque splits, including a very RWD-like 25/75 Front/Rear split. Then, in inclement weather, the driver can simply leave it in automatic mode and let the computer send torque where it's needed.
 
Agreed. That STi a very impressive bit of kit, as they say across the pond. I think that I will have to test drive one at the very least. You know, I bought my MS3 with the idea that it would serve as my track rat/commuter until the 135i came out and prices stabilized. It turns out that "Gojira" has proven very entertaining. Methinks I'll keep the little beast and perhaps buy a vintage M car to tinker with, such as an E28 M5 or E36 M Coupe...
I also like the Nissan GT-R, but at its lofty $70K price point I lean towards vehicles from Garching and Zuffenhausen...
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Re: Speaking of AWD [roadburner] by circlew
Dec 12, 2007 (5:04 am)
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Replying to: roadburner (Dec 11, 2007 9:12 pm)

I would opt for the Lancer Evolution vs. the STI but unfortunately, I must be a soccer Dad because I truly enjoy the xi. I can do much more with this car ALL of the time.
 
It is NOT a WRC contender or a weekend track car but as I will continue to remind everyone, it's a real good sedan. Against the i, it is a different driving feel that more than makes up for itself when the weather conditions warrant.
 
I did not intend to take it to the track when I got into this 330xi. The experience has been flawless quality wise and the traction is at a level that I have not experienced from any road car with the same level of fit and finish as well as solid road feel.
 
If I wanted a BMW track car, M3, please. Otherwise, the future will look real good for AWD sedans with the addition of the proactive torque vectoring that will proliferate. I say " Bring It On".
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: BMW performance suspension [cbanct] by bruceomega
Dec 12, 2007 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: cbanct (Dec 10, 2007 10:05 pm)

Very interesting.
 
I'd be curious to hear the opinions of experienced drivers comparing the 328Xi with this performance suspension to the 328i, or the same for the 335 cars if / when they offer a kit for the 335Xi.
 
I would be interested in a kit like this for the 5 series Xi cars, although BMW may not go there because the sport suspension in the 5 series has active anti-roll which could be too expensive to add post production.
 
Bruce
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Re: Speaking of AWD [circlew] by bruceomega
Dec 12, 2007 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 12, 2007 5:04 am)

OW,
 
If I wanted a BMW track car, M3, please
 
FWIW, my wife and I own AWD BMWs, but we recently had the chance to drive a 335i sport at the BMW Performance Center. It was a screamer on the track, and really fun to drive, although I have no idea how it compares to an M3. Subjectively, it felt faster than a 650i and Z4 coupe.
 
I personally liked driving the 335i sport at least as much as the M5, and felt it may have been as fast / faster, but there are caveats to this- a short course, my driving skill, and my inexperience with SMG.
 
Thanks
Bruce
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Re: Speaking of AWD [bruceomega] by circlew
Dec 12, 2007 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Dec 12, 2007 7:06 am)

I meant the new M3. I can see the cons regarding the size weight issue with the E92 M but there must be some semblance of additional fun considering the power/suspension superiority. Against a 335i sport, I assume the added benefit must be utilized on the track at some point during ownership with the new M3 as opposed to public roads.
 
The 335i sport can double duty whereas the 335xi would not see track time, IMO. If they start adding "real" sport suspension to the xi, watch out! I think you need to set up/maintain your track car more aggressively and carefully if you start to get serious. I'm talking most weekends would qualify as a serious sport.
 
I am surprised you felt it (335) faster than the M5. Did you you push the "M" button when you drove the M??
 
It's nice to have the option to choose your weapon based on what you need. I'd be tempted to get the M3 but at that price point, you have a lot of other options for your daily driver and weekend track car, especially when you can get a high performance AWD car the comes close to the M for almost half the price.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Speaking of AWD [circlew] by bruceomega
Dec 12, 2007 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 12, 2007 7:47 am)

OW
 
I am surprised you felt it (335) faster than the M5. Did you you push the "M" button when you drove the M??
 
My expereince in the M5 was very brief- hopping into it for the first time at the starting position on the track, quickly trying to adjust the seating and steering wheel, and then taking off quickly so as not to hold up the other drivers.
 
We only got 3 laps in it. I did not see a sport button in the M5 like I found in the 650i SMG that we had been driving, so I have no idea what mode the M5 SMG was using. It felt like the transmission was slow to downshift when I was trying to power out of a corner.
 
The 335i sport that we drove once, for 3 laps, and the Z4 coupes we drove in the main class (kept switching between the Z4 and 650) had steptronic, which I kept in sport mode. I liked the steptonic in sport mode better than the SMG, but my comments should not be taken out of the context of my caveats.
 
Thanks
Bruce
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Re: 335i vs. 335ix [unlimitedjoe] by habitat1
Dec 12, 2007 (8:22 am)
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can we stop with the 5th grade mentality.
 
I read redsoxgirl's posts as being fairly complimentary of both the i and ix. But somehow you seem to think that anyone who can tell the difference, and prefers the handling of the i, is a threat to the validity of your purchase decision.
 
These are opinions for goodness sakes. Just get over the fact that not everyone agrees with yours. Suggesting that those articulate enough to express an opposing view in real English are the ones with a 5th grade mentality is beyond hypocritical, considering the source.
 
No one here has claimed the 335ix isn't a fine car. Re-read if necessary.
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Re: 335i vs. 335ix [habitat1] by circlew
Dec 12, 2007 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 12, 2007 8:22 am)

Well, I NEVER get the questions on the show correct so perhaps that's why I ended up with a 330xi!
 
Just kidding. I did have a visit yeaterday from a new VP from our Corporate office in his Carrera 4 which he loves. (I must be attracting AWD from the universe!) He informed me that a company owners's son was close on closing a deal on the new Turbo. Isn't that ~ $150,000?
 
All these are great cars that weren't on the radar screen that long ago.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Speaking of AWD [circlew] by roadburner
Dec 12, 2007 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 12, 2007 5:04 am)

If I wanted a BMW track car, M3, please.
 
A REAL -E30- M Drei, I'd hope... And once again, I wouldn't rule out an E28 M5. Then again, as I mentioned in another topic-
Some poor sod up the road from me has a 1991 318i four door for sale. The guy spent a ton of money(rebuilt engine, clutch, radiator, and so on) on and now wants to get out of. The guy isn't mechanically inclined, didn't have it checked out, and wouldn't take any advice. The body has a few dents and the red paint is faded. I think I can get it for under $1500. I just might have found my new track rat- and
I can also let my 13 year old son drive it around the farm, and if he sideswipes a tree it will be no big deal...

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