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The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol

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#1052 of 1067 Re: Uh Oh! [fezo] by gagrice

Oct 04, 2012 (6:57 am)

Replying to: fezo (Oct 04, 2012 6:40 am)
good point. I think I read over 90% of the land in Iowa is farmed. Mostly corn. Both parties protect those stinking farm subsidies for their rich constituents.
 
PS
I am always up at 5 AM old habits are tough to break.

#1053 of 1067 Time to cut the EPA off at the knees. by gagrice

Nov 17, 2012 (9:32 pm)

EPA OWNED BY SPECIAL INTERESTS like ADM...Screw the Consumers...
 
EPA rejects bid to relax ethanol mandate
2012 drought prompted request over corn fuel use
 
Washington — The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday rejected a request from eight governors and nearly 200 members of Congress to waive requirements for the use of corn-based ethanol in gasoline, after last summer's severe drought wilted much of the nation's corn crop.
 
The move is a victory for corn farmers who have seen corn prices jump 400 percent in recent years. But it is a loss for pork and beef producers who say the diversion of corn to ethanol raises feed prices and ultimately prices at the supermarket.
 
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121117/AUTO01/211170359/EPA-rejects-bid-to-- - relax-ethanol-mandate
 
PS
Wanted a pound of bacon the other day, $7 a pound. I can live without it.

#1054 of 1067 Re: Time to cut the EPA off at the knees. [gagrice] by berri

Nov 18, 2012 (8:48 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 17, 2012 9:32 pm)
I can understand preferences when alternative energy is being started and the fuel situation was different when ethanol was first brought on, but there comes a time when these things need to either be able to stand on their own merits or fade away. Same goes with wind energy. Personally, I've always been skeptical that ethanol may actually use more resources and energy than it provides. As for wind, I don't think people factor in the operation and maintenance costs over time to operate those gigantic windmills. I'm thinking we'll see a lot of them abandoned and rusted out a decade from now.

#1055 of 1067 Re: Time to cut the EPA off at the knees. [berri] by gagrice

Nov 18, 2012 (2:25 pm)

Replying to: berri (Nov 18, 2012 8:48 am)
Right on with both. I cannot think of any thing positive to say about Ethanol. Many windmills are being torn down. Worn out and too expensive to maintain. The subsidies are gone which makes them no longer profitable to the operators. Time will tell with home solar. If they do in fact last 20-25 years they will pay for themselves.

#1056 of 1067 Re: From Mr Inconvenient Truth himself [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Nov 18, 2012 (6:19 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 22, 2010 1:06 pm)
Well it's the intelligent man who can change his mind once new data presents itself.
 
Haven't you ever supported something and lived to regret it? I sure have.
 
It's also admirable to confess in public to choosing political ambition over common sense. I have no problem with politicians confessing their sins. Few do you know.
 
It's the people who never change their mind about anything that worry me the most.
 
Science is, after all, the process of science disproving itself. That's what science does.

#1057 of 1067 Re: From Mr Inconvenient Truth himself [Mr_Shiftright] by gagrice

Nov 18, 2012 (8:12 pm)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 18, 2012 6:19 pm)
In the case of Corn ethanol science refuted its viability from the start. Politicians pushed it as a payoff to big Ag. Yes Gore admitted his error. Too bad the President and the wonks in the EPA refuse to be honest.

#1058 of 1067 Re: From Mr Inconvenient Truth himself [gagrice] by berri

Nov 18, 2012 (8:45 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 18, 2012 8:12 pm)
Well, the corn belt is pretty much a mix of red and blue states, so I guess we'll be stuck with ethanol regardless of its merits. What galls me even more than this decision is the EPA wanting to stick us with 15% ethanol when the industry tries to tell them it will mess up many engines. I think that agency is run by zealots that are out of control and devoid of impartiality or common sense. Of course agriculture is really big business these days, so besides the electoral votes there is probably plenty of lobbyist payola to go along with it.

#1059 of 1067 Re: From Mr Inconvenient Truth himself [berri] by gagrice

Nov 18, 2012 (9:35 pm)

Replying to: berri (Nov 18, 2012 8:45 pm)
that agency is run by zealots that are out of control and devoid of impartiality or common sense.
 
Many congress people in the Midwest are owned by the big ag lobbyist.

#1060 of 1067 AAA jumps into defend US from E15 by gagrice

Nov 30, 2012 (1:00 pm)

AAA urges EPA to halt approval of E15 for vehicles

Washington — AAA, the nation's largest travel organization, on Friday urged the Obama administration to halt the sale of E15 — a new fuel with a higher blend of ethanol — because of possible engine damage to most vehicles on the nation's roads.
 
With little consumer understanding of E15 and less than five percent of cars on the road approved by automakers to use the fuel, "AAA is urging regulators and the industry to stop the sale of E15 until motorists are better protected."
 
AAA said just 12 million out of the more than 240 million light-duty vehicles on the roads today are approved by manufacturers to use E15 gasoline, based on a survey conducted by AAA of auto manufacturers.
 
General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. have approved the use of the fuel for new model vehicles only. Chrysler Group LLC said this week it still doesn't approve the use of E15 for any of its vehicles.
 
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121130/AUTO01/211300415/AAA-urges-EPA-halt-- approval-E15-vehicles?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
 
Not to mention lower mileage with more ethanol content.

#1061 of 1067 Re: AAA jumps into defend US from E15 [gagrice] by gogogodzilla

Nov 30, 2012 (8:19 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Nov 30, 2012 1:00 pm)
Don't worry, the EPA will still push this, for the good of the planet.
 
And that's what's really important, you know.
 
We should be willing to bear any burden, carry any cost to ensure that our Mother Earth is free from the ravages of man-made pollution.
 
Praise our glorious mother!
 
 

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