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The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol

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#1027 of 1067 Re: Too bad if the US chose a lousy solution [galonga] by morin2

Oct 31, 2010 (7:10 am)

galonga is an obvious shill of the ethanol industry - which survives only by massive infusion of our tax dollars while damaging our environment and our small engines, boats, and shortening the life of our automotive components.
 
I suggest that we stop feeding this troll. He seems to have inhaled too much of something - maybe ethanol.
 
The best way to handle such trolls is to ignore them.

#1028 of 1067 Re: Too bad if the US chose a lousy solution [morin2] by gagrice

Oct 31, 2010 (8:18 am)

Replying to: morin2 (Oct 31, 2010 7:10 am)
I guess you are right. It is tough educating people that think they know it all. The title of the thread should include "USA" as that is where it is a political SCAM. We don't have millions & Millions of acres of land suitable for growing Sugar Cane. We never will unless we conquer some country that does. That's an idea.

#1029 of 1067 Re: Too bad if the US chose a lousy solution [gagrice] by newdavidq

Oct 31, 2010 (9:05 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Oct 31, 2010 8:18 am)
At the risk of inciting golonga to more inane invective I must say that Petrobras is quite happy taking a $2 billion loan to drill offshore, using US technology, for the hated petroleum products which are responsible for the world wide prosperity enjoyed by billions of humans today. And where is the $2 billion coming from?
Regards, and Adios, DQ

#1031 of 1067 Enough by pf_flyer HOST

Oct 31, 2010 (4:19 pm)

It IS possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Let's drop the personal edge to this now, please.

#1032 of 1067 Morass of Misinformation continues from just one source here! ? by elias

Nov 01, 2010 (5:20 am)

Replying to: galonga (Oct 30, 2010 1:21 pm)
galonga you are INCORRECT regarding the basics of the various combustion/calories/BTUs/energy-contents. And your arguments are hereby BEATEN LIKE A RENTED MULE:
 
you are INCORRECT when you state that mixing ethanol with gas lowers mpg only in certain vehicles.
These laws of physics/combustion/energy-content are hard facts. They apply to all vehicles, regardlesss of their national origin or design or fuel type.
 
Next it seems like YOU are SO VERY WRONGLY alleging that USA ethanol is somehow chemically different than BRAZILIAN ethanol! That seems unlikely, but hey, bust out the chemical formulae and knock our socks off, galonganator man. Give us some real facts instead of pseudoscientific hogwash.
 
Next you are talking about ethanol-only vehicles. I think we do enjoy ethanol-only cars here in USA , I think they are called race cars! (?) Galonga, as an esteemed co-member and a gentleman, you are proposing ethanol-only cars for the street in USA now? Please let's first confirm the abject unequivocal defeat of your arguments on the first few subjects before we try to move forward to your next round of misinformation sir?

#1033 of 1067 Agree by newdavidq

Nov 01, 2010 (5:31 am)

The purpose of these fora as I understand it is a free and open airing of ones personal views regarding the title of the forum. I assume that these discussions primarily relate to subjects in the world of automobiles in America. One of the posters attempted to introduce
some international flavor by touting another countries' approach to the use of ethanol. The title of one of his posts was "Too bad if the US chose a lousy solution'. I felt this was a bit edgy in that it attacks our use of gasoline (a remarkable substance). Ethanol / Brazil is quite different from ethanol /US. If the subject of his post had referred to ethanol instead of gasoline he would have been right on, IMHO.
I think this forum has completely exposed the folly of our approach to the use of ethanol as a motor fuel; I don't know what more can be said.
 
Regards, DQ

#1034 of 1067 Like I said... by pf_flyer HOST

Nov 01, 2010 (9:16 am)

Disageeing about something is fine. We just have to avoid the comments that get aimed at each other on a personal level.
 
I'm sure we can ALL get in the spirit of things and avoid the personal barbs going forward, right?
 
Thanks for your participation and cooperation!

#1035 of 1067 Re: Like I said... [pf_flyer] by gagrice

Nov 01, 2010 (10:41 am)

Replying to: pf_flyer (Nov 01, 2010 9:16 am)
Everyone reacts to alcohol differently.

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