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Re: city mileage 2 [bouki1]
by 1trulove
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Mar 20, 2009 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: bouki1 (Mar 20, 2009 8:41 am)
While the VC is a comfort in the city (ride,room, weight, safety, etc), it does not get great mileage in city driving. The best advice I can offer is to go easy on the throttle - accelerate slowly and coast to stops as much as traffic will allow. It's the sudden acceleration that sucks fuel due to the cars weight. Also, increase tire pressure - I reccommed 36-38 psi cold (max for the Michelens is 44 psi, but that will give a harsh ride). This will help both the city and on highway mileage. Finally, if you do a lot of stop and go, that puts a lot of wear on an engine, try using synthethic oil after your 1st or 2nd regular oil change. Your can extend oil change intervals ( try 5 to 6,000mi ) with synthetic so the cost should break about even for better protection.
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- #153 of 164
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Re: city mileage 2 [1trulove]
by steve_ HOST
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Mar 20, 2009 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: 1trulove (Mar 20, 2009 1:14 pm)
We Test the Tips
We Test the Tips Part II
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Re: city mileage 2 [1trulove]
by pinevalleyite
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May 06, 2009 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: 1trulove (Mar 20, 2009 1:14 pm)
Have my Veracruz for one week now. So far, on gauge it shows I'm getting an average of 16.4mpg mostly highway so far but still on my first tank of gas.
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Questions on locking vehicle
by pinevalleyite
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May 06, 2009 (8:42 am)
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On my old vehicle, if I pushed the keyfob lock after I was out of the car, I would hear a beep of the horn to know the doors were locked. Had remote starter installed on my Veracruz so have a different keyfob than what's in the manual. But everything I read says you'll hear a beep for this or that "if attached." Does that mean they may not have set up the horn to the keyfob?
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Backing Up the Veracruz
by pinevalleyite
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May 06, 2009 (8:43 am)
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One feature I thought was interesting in the Veracruz was it's "backup warning system." When I put the car in reverse, I hear one tone not the general beep, beep, beep of a truck when backing up. Am I misinterpreting what they mean by "backup warning system?"
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Re: Backing Up the Veracruz [pinevalleyite]
by acdii
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May 06, 2009 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: pinevalleyite (May 06, 2009 8:43 am)
A solid tone means stop, you should hear a slow beep, then a quick beep as you get closer to something, then a solid tone when you are roughly 6-8 inches from something. If it is a solid tone, a sensor is being blocked by something, could be one was knocked loose during transit from the factory.
One other thing, you mentioned a truck backing up, the warning system is only heard inside the car, not outside if that is what you were expecting.
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Re: city mileage 2 [steve_]
by acdii
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May 06, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 20, 2009 9:24 pm)
The tips II one was mostly good, the only gripe I would have with their tips is the tailgate down on the Tundra. Mythbusters flat out busted that one, Twice. The tailgate down actually causes more drag on a pickup and lowers fuel economy. The fact they got a slight improvement could have been due to other factors, such as a tail wind. When the Myth guys tested, they used identical trucks, drove exactly the same, with exactly the same amount of fuel and drove until they ran out of gas, the one with the tailgate down ran out of gas first. Then to be doubly sure of their findings, they re ran the test again in one truck with a host of different gauges, the most important being the fuel flow meter. Again, the tests showed more fuel was used with the tailgate down. I have an F350 Dually and tried it my self, and sure enough, tailgate down I use more fuel, then again, the tests were done with long bed trucks. It the test on the tundra had the short 6' bed, drag may not be such a big deal.
The drag comes into play when the tailgate is no longer there to create a pressure bubble in the bed that reduces the drag behind the cab, so there is a more linear airflow. When that bubble is not there, you get a lot of drag directly behind the cab. You should see the mess it can make when the back window is open and the tailgate is down in the truck, if there are any leaves or dust in the bed, it winds up inside the truck.
Other than that, pretty good results in that article. The main thing you see in both, use common sense and you will get better MPG. Since I have a Hybrid, a Pickup and an SUV, I can pretty much tell you that everything in the articles, with the exception of the tailgate, is true. My F350 if driven with an egg between the pedal an my foot will get 18 MPG. That is in an 8000 pound monster brick of a truck with 6 wheels.
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Re: city mileage 2 [acdii]
by tidester HOST
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May 06, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: acdii (May 06, 2009 9:11 am)
I saw that episode! They also showed wind tunnel testing of a model to visualize the "bubble effect."
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
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Re: city mileage 2 [acdii]
by steve_ HOST
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May 06, 2009 (9:07 pm)
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Replying to: acdii (May 06, 2009 9:11 am)
I remember being a bit surprised about the poorer showing the Edmunds testers had with the tailgate up, since I've also heard for a few years that the tailgate down trick hurts more than it helps. Those net things you sometimes see in place of tailgates probably hurt worse of all.
My quibble with that test was with the roof racks. I only lose about 1 mpg hauling canoes, but I guess they are shaped better than hunks of luggage up there. I do take my racks off when I'm not hauling stuff up there.
I usually manage to beat the EPA estimates in my rides. The egg trick is good, and I like to try to anticipate stop lights. In town I note the flashing of crosswalk signals to give me an idea if I can beat the yellow or if I should just coast in gear* and let the light change on me.
(*Coasting in gear uses less gas than coasting in neutral thanks to the way fuel injection works. Go figure.)
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Re: city mileage 2 [steve_]
by acdii
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May 07, 2009 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (May 06, 2009 9:07 pm)
So far my mileage on the VC is holding pretty steady 21 MPG, actually had it up to 21.6 for a while today, but that damn traffic lights and putting people doing 5 under for some reason hurt my overall. My average drive is between 35 and 60 MPH through suburbs and county highways. If I can catch lights and not get stuck behind someone doing 5 under or hitting the brakes constantly, I get pretty good MPG.
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