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Vans & Minivans Honda Odyssey Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna
206 messages, Last post on May 01, 2008 at 11:50 AM
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Hyundai has made giant strides in quality and build top notch cars, be it azera or veracruz or entourage or sonata. What really beats me is CR's flagrant prejudice towards Hyundai. If Entourage is good, so be it. I hate seeing words like nearly (or) almost (or) not quite when the van is as good as anything out there with sophistication and performance to boot, period. I also hate when Hyundai gets low scores in styling department which is highly subjective. To me, Hyundai cars are good looking... I am sure all of you will agree that the Camry, Avalon, or the Nissan Sentra were some of the ugliest cars inside out until the newer body designs came out, but still Toyota always got top scores when the Koreans got flogged. And I read a review in a reputed auto magazine that the front grille of Jaguar S type looks like men's urinal. Today, there is no difference in quality/performance between the top four, Odyssey, Entourage, Sienna or Sedona (not in order) although I wish Sienna/Odyssey were priced a little lower so I could afford one.
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Replying to: shaky4 (Jun 07, 2007 10:47 am) Really? Do you realize that in last year's auto issue the 2004 Sonata was rated the single most reliable car in their entire survey? There exists no such bias.
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Replying to: KarenS (Jun 07, 2007 6:40 am) |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 07, 2007 12:26 pm) A car that earns the best safety score ever given to an automobile (Sedona/Entourage) by NHTSA, which has ESC and 6 airbags standard across all trim levels (ESC saves lives!!), has great warranty, roadside assistance (which is $1000 + with other makes), decent looks, good fit and finish and low price with abundant features deserves to be a top pick. I am not saying Toyota and Honda do not deserve to sweep top honors, just give credit where it is due. I expected at least 1 Hyundai to make it to top pick list and was disappointed, to say the least. |
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That in judging the final rankings, CR doesn't weigh value as much as American consumers do. Maybe they should do a "Best Buy" award, in addition to "Top Pick". Sometimes buyers aren't necessarily looking for the very best vehicle in that class, they want the best bargain. I'm sure the deck in that case would be stacked towards most Hyundai/Kia models. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 07, 2007 6:26 am) Who cares what a crossover SUV costs? You're paying premium price for those and for a truck frame. I'm curious, for $25K did you get memory seats, power driver and passenger seats, tri-zone AC, thirteen speakers, tire pressure monitor, adjustable pedals, power side doors and power lift gate, sun roof, the 6 CD changer, power second row windows and power third row ventilation windows, DVD player among the things that come to mind most immediately? You get that and more for well under $30K with the Entourage. You don't get that for close to $30k in the Sienna.
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Replying to: hrngffcr (Jun 07, 2007 6:45 pm) "Crossovers" are based on a car frame. 
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you're paying a premium for AWD (okay, you could get a Sienna AWD, but still...) and the premium of not having to tell people "I drive a minivan."
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Replying to: hrngffcr (Jun 07, 2007 6:45 pm) memory seats? no power driver and passenger seats? driver yes tri-zone AC? two zone, manual thirteen speakers? did not count, stereo sounds good though tire pressure monitor? yes, and the real one, not ABS based adjustable pedals? no, but wheel tilts/telescopes power side doors? yes power lift gate? no, but there is a power assist to close it sun roof? no 6 CD changer? yes, with control on steering wheels power second row windows? yes power third row ventilation windows? yes DVD player? yes, but aftermarket, $900 The Sienna is equipped better than you seem to think. I did look at an Entourage Limited, but that model did not include a moonroof or a 6CD changer, those only come in option package. If you add both of those the Entourage costs a bit more than I paid, or about the same price as my Sienna + DVD player I had put in, and I got a 12" screen that makes the factory DVD screen look puny. I test drove a loaded Kia Sedona, and it didn't have auto up driver's window, plus the Koreans do not offer an 8th seating position. So there's a couple of things I got that you didn't. I also have a lot more horsepower and noticeably quicker acceleration, though the Kia was not lacking in any way. Sienna has more space, too, it felt wider and more substantial. The Korean vans come very well equipped, but pick the right package with the Sienna and it's a better value than most people seem to think.
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Hosts: can we please add the Toyota Sienna to the name on this thread? We seem to be comparing them directly, I know I drove pretty much all of these before deciding. Funny thing is I only noticed some of these things after I bought it, but the Sienna has a few surprises up its sleeve. Even at the $25k price level, you can get: * trip computer * power vented 3rd row windows * 3rd row position for tailgating (Ody lacks. Kia?) * puddle lamps * tow package included (ATF cooler) * roof rack cross bars * heated mirrors * wiper de-icers * auto UP driver's window * 8 adult-sized seats (the only van that offers this) The Ody EX lacks all but the mirrors and de-icers, I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong). Not sure how many of those items the Entourage and Sedona offer, but at least a couple. So in terms of content it's not quite as clear as people think. Toyota offers more value than you first might expect. Cheers. 
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