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Vans & Minivans Honda Odyssey Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna
206 messages, Last post on May 01, 2008 at 11:50 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 18, 2007 7:12 am) Good post, it was very informative. While I agree with most of your conclusions on resale/value, it seems a bit off about quality/refinement part of the discussion. I am an environmental scientist and did independent tests using a precise portable sound meter from my lab. I positioned the sensor 6 inches below the rearview mirror The entourage did come in quieter than odyssey at 63.2 +/- 0.1 dBA vs 64.7 dBA on my cousins 2007 EXL on the same road stretch at 65 mph using an Extech digital sound level meter. My cousin was very cooperative and allowed me to borrow her van. I moved the meter around and the entourage was surprisingly quieter than the Odyssey by an average 1-1.5 decibels (remember we are talking log scale). They were almost equal on road noise until I hit an old concrete stretch on the freeway where Entourage clocked 69 db versus 75 db for Odyssey (It might be the tires!!). The result does not surprise me because Motortrend did a comparo of Hyundai Veracruz vs lexus RX 350 (Not Highlander or Pilot remember) and the Veracruz came out quieter in 4 different noise tests, Lexus bettered in 1 test and they tied in the 6th. Maybe your entourage tester was not test-drive ready/refined but I am willing to give any person in Cincinnati area a demo on a weekend with real NIST calibrated instruments. Unfortunately, I do not have a friend with 07 sienna and 06 model would not be a fair comparison. In the past 2-3 years, Hyundai's quality has been phenomenal and you could buy a Hyundai just for quality/refinement.
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Replying to: tushar1 (Jun 14, 2007 6:48 am) |
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Replying to: shaky4 (Jul 18, 2007 2:27 pm) I've read that the Entourage has slightly more sound insulation, though I'm not sure if that's true. They are built on the same exact assembly line. It's possible the Entourage is quieter than the Sedona I tested. Also, the Sienna rides more quietly than the Odyssey. Also, like you mentioned, run-flat tires have very rigid sidewalls that would increase road noise. It would be interesting to use your instruments to measure noise in a Sienna without run-flat tires, though. Any how, the Sedona I drove was not as quiet as my Sienna. Maybe the pressure in the tires was too high, or maybe it just has less insulation than its Hyundai twin, maybe even both. Any how, after my test drive, the interesting thing is that I concluded a value-priced model actually made more sense to me. In other words, I priced an Entourage GLS for $19.8k, and at that price it simply owes no apologies to anyone, i.e. it's more than what anyone should expect at that price level. I'm talking material quality, engine refinement, panel gaps, switch feel, ride, everything. This is my subjective opinion, but if we were talking about ice cream sundaes, I felt that Toyota made a better vanilla that cost more. Hyundai offered more toppings. You can get nuts, fudge and caramel, whipped cream, two cherries, the works. I got a Sienna with only fudge and nuts. But I felt the ice cream underneath it all was just a little bit better, the way Breyer's is just a tad better than Edy's ice cream. If we want to push the ice cream analogy a bit further, I'd even say it has fewer calories (better gas mileage) and stronger vanilla bean flavor (more HP). The one thing we can all conclude and agree on is this: Now I'm hungry for ice cream! 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 19, 2007 6:14 am) When I test drove the top four repeatedly over 2 months scratching my head, the Kia was the quietest followed by Toyota on some days. On some occasions I found Toyota/Honda to be quietest. Unfortunately Hyundai had only a GLS for test drive and it was not as quiet. The limited one was a manager special on the floor and I had to buy my new Entourage without test driving. At idle/initial acceleration, the entourage has a sporty exhaust note but it is whisper quiet with seamless shifts. I also found the interior quality to be quite good, though, I liked Nissan's interior quality the best. Kia had hydraulic engine mounts, 5 speed transmission, and independent suspension on all four wheels as early as 2002. My first minivan, a 2002 sedona ex, was whisper quiet and we were sad to see it go.
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Replying to: shaky4 (Jul 19, 2007 7:46 am) To be honest I felt the Sedonda, Entourage, Sienna, and Odyssey were all on an entirely higher level than the Quest, though to be fair I haven't driven the newer ones with the redesigned interior. |
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In Canada RunFlat tires are standard on the Sienna and not available on the Odyssey. Up here the Odyssey uses 16" tires.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 16, 2007 7:56 am) Do you really think the Ford Explorer is the best SUV on the market? **Sidebar: Ford's gas-guzzler Explorer (it really eats gas to be so small) is now behind in sales to the number 1 Honda CR-V. ****Now back to your regularly scheduled minivans. Stay tuned for to GRAD News for more random updates**** 
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Replying to: autowrite (Jul 23, 2007 10:41 am) |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 24, 2007 8:18 pm) Even the CR-V, though, isn't what I'd consider the best SUV. No V6/engine upgrade option for starters.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 25, 2007 7:20 am)  Too many people do NOT know the difference between a REAL pickup and a small Light Utility Vehicle because of false advertising. Same with AWD vs 4 WD. Honda CR-V vs Ford Explorer: NO Comparison. Are they the same type vehicle? Isn't the CR-V built on a Front Wheel Drive car frame with AWD optional while the Explorer is built on a Rear Wheel Drive truck frame with 4 Wheel Drive optional? 
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