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Vans & Minivans Honda Odyssey Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna
206 messages, Last post on May 01, 2008 at 11:50 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 17, 2007 6:14 am) Since neither my wife nor I drive aggressively, we don't notice the additional power of the Sienna while the gas mileage is almost identical. The Sienna with 5 speed AT has to shift down 2 gears on the same highway where the 02 T&C shifted down only 1 gear to maintain the same 75 MPH speed on I-15. 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 08, 2007 9:32 am) -Leather seatings - quad captain chairs. -front driver/pass seat heating. -Memory seats/rearview mirrors/pedal. -Power seats/pedal/rearview mirrors. -Power Sunroof -Rear parking sensor -Automatic Tilt rearview mirrors when back up. -Tri-zone Auto Climate control -power sliding doors/liftgate -DVD entertainment system -13 speakers Infinity Sound system (Surround Sound) -Elelectro luminescent gauges cluster. -Shiftronic 5 speed transmission. The comparable Odyssey/Sienna/Quest that would cost $8000-$9000 more NOT to metion 60k bumper to bumper and 100K powertrain warranty....! For me, I could not tell the difference between those three when driving...The Quest I test drove seems to be more "sporty" than Ody/Entourage/Siena....1000 miles on my Entourage as of Today , not even a rattle ... Zero complaint ! 
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Replying to: hansienna (Jul 17, 2007 10:06 am) The 3.8l Dodge gets 18/25 so you still sacrifice a bit of economy and some power. Also, real world economy numbers show Toyota's advantage to be even greater. You'll see when you get your Dodge. In fact, I bet you'll change your name to hanchrysler and offer polarized opinions (both good and bad) about your new van then, too.  YMMV. |
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Replying to: henryzx (Jul 17, 2007 3:26 pm) My LE does has power seats, power mirrors (heated even), power sliding doors on both sides, 12" DVD (aftermarket, though), and luminescent gauges. With the DVD I paid $26.2k or so, so a couple of grand less than you did. I have a few things you're missing: * seating for 8 (critical for me) * auto UP driver's window * transmission/PS coolers; ready for towing * more HP * better fuel efficiency * more refinement overall * better ride Also, you have leather on 2 rows, the 3rd row is actually vinyl. Toyota's leather goes on all 3 rows. We preferred cloth, 3 out of 4 of us, so no thanks on the leather. I tend to hate auto climate control, so I'm happy to control that manually. These are just personal preferences. They do carry value to most people, I recognize. Loaded Siennas do cost $8000-9000 more, but you get a few things loaded Hyundais do not offer: * HID headlights * laser cruise control * GPS Navigation * AWD Those are EXPENSIVE features. You should expect a loaded Sienna to cost more, a LOT more. AWD alone is worth $1750. HIDs are over a grand. Laser cruise, who knows, but it's a pretty exotic features you'd only expect on a Lexus. GPS is another $2200 worth. That's about $6000 worth of luxury options. So yes, a loaded Sienna will cost a lot more, as it should. It's very hard to directly compare similarly equipped models. For instance, an Entourage Limited doesn't come with a 6CD standard. You need to add two options packages to really get it loaded up. A loaded Sienna, street prices, runs about $38k. But it would have that $6000 worth of options I mentioned. So that's about $4000 more than you paid for yours without those expensive luxuries. You'll get the $4000 back at resale, too. We shopped used Kia Sedona EXs, and they were ~20k or so. A used Sienna XLE ran more than I paid, a good $26-28k and up. It was crazy. I don't doubt for a minute that for your purchase price you got a ton of value. Still, I only gave up about half of what you listed, got 8 seats, it's quicker, and uses less fuel, and depreciates less. I spent $2000 less and got a massive 12" DVD screen. I'm quite happy and have no regrets at all. PS Check out Karl on Cars, his Blog has many entries on their long term Sedona. They're good, and certainly close, but the Sienna is still more refined.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 18, 2007 7:12 am) Good post, it was very informative. While I agree with most of your conclusions on resale/value, it seems a bit off about quality/refinement part of the discussion. I am an environmental scientist and did independent tests using a precise portable sound meter from my lab. I positioned the sensor 6 inches below the rearview mirror The entourage did come in quieter than odyssey at 63.2 +/- 0.1 dBA vs 64.7 dBA on my cousins 2007 EXL on the same road stretch at 65 mph using an Extech digital sound level meter. My cousin was very cooperative and allowed me to borrow her van. I moved the meter around and the entourage was surprisingly quieter than the Odyssey by an average 1-1.5 decibels (remember we are talking log scale). They were almost equal on road noise until I hit an old concrete stretch on the freeway where Entourage clocked 69 db versus 75 db for Odyssey (It might be the tires!!). The result does not surprise me because Motortrend did a comparo of Hyundai Veracruz vs lexus RX 350 (Not Highlander or Pilot remember) and the Veracruz came out quieter in 4 different noise tests, Lexus bettered in 1 test and they tied in the 6th. Maybe your entourage tester was not test-drive ready/refined but I am willing to give any person in Cincinnati area a demo on a weekend with real NIST calibrated instruments. Unfortunately, I do not have a friend with 07 sienna and 06 model would not be a fair comparison. In the past 2-3 years, Hyundai's quality has been phenomenal and you could buy a Hyundai just for quality/refinement.
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Replying to: tushar1 (Jun 14, 2007 6:48 am) |
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Replying to: shaky4 (Jul 18, 2007 2:27 pm) I've read that the Entourage has slightly more sound insulation, though I'm not sure if that's true. They are built on the same exact assembly line. It's possible the Entourage is quieter than the Sedona I tested. Also, the Sienna rides more quietly than the Odyssey. Also, like you mentioned, run-flat tires have very rigid sidewalls that would increase road noise. It would be interesting to use your instruments to measure noise in a Sienna without run-flat tires, though. Any how, the Sedona I drove was not as quiet as my Sienna. Maybe the pressure in the tires was too high, or maybe it just has less insulation than its Hyundai twin, maybe even both. Any how, after my test drive, the interesting thing is that I concluded a value-priced model actually made more sense to me. In other words, I priced an Entourage GLS for $19.8k, and at that price it simply owes no apologies to anyone, i.e. it's more than what anyone should expect at that price level. I'm talking material quality, engine refinement, panel gaps, switch feel, ride, everything. This is my subjective opinion, but if we were talking about ice cream sundaes, I felt that Toyota made a better vanilla that cost more. Hyundai offered more toppings. You can get nuts, fudge and caramel, whipped cream, two cherries, the works. I got a Sienna with only fudge and nuts. But I felt the ice cream underneath it all was just a little bit better, the way Breyer's is just a tad better than Edy's ice cream. If we want to push the ice cream analogy a bit further, I'd even say it has fewer calories (better gas mileage) and stronger vanilla bean flavor (more HP). The one thing we can all conclude and agree on is this: Now I'm hungry for ice cream! 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 19, 2007 6:14 am) When I test drove the top four repeatedly over 2 months scratching my head, the Kia was the quietest followed by Toyota on some days. On some occasions I found Toyota/Honda to be quietest. Unfortunately Hyundai had only a GLS for test drive and it was not as quiet. The limited one was a manager special on the floor and I had to buy my new Entourage without test driving. At idle/initial acceleration, the entourage has a sporty exhaust note but it is whisper quiet with seamless shifts. I also found the interior quality to be quite good, though, I liked Nissan's interior quality the best. Kia had hydraulic engine mounts, 5 speed transmission, and independent suspension on all four wheels as early as 2002. My first minivan, a 2002 sedona ex, was whisper quiet and we were sad to see it go.
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Replying to: shaky4 (Jul 19, 2007 7:46 am) To be honest I felt the Sedonda, Entourage, Sienna, and Odyssey were all on an entirely higher level than the Quest, though to be fair I haven't driven the newer ones with the redesigned interior. |
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In Canada RunFlat tires are standard on the Sienna and not available on the Odyssey. Up here the Odyssey uses 16" tires.
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