Last post on May 01, 2008 at 12:50 PM
You are in the Honda Odyssey
What is this discussion about?
Honda Odyssey, Hyundai Entourage, Kia Sedona, Toyota Sienna, Car Comparisons, Van
#197 of 206 Re: Odyssey vs Entourage vs Sedona vs Sienna, etc [autowrite]
Apr 15, 2008 (12:54 pm)
Because, believe it or not, some people don't use CR as the end-all of choosing a vehicle!
VWs aren't known for being reliable either, yet people pay premiums for them over Hondas and Toyotas. Its ok to pick outside the reliability box.
#198 of 206 Re: Odyssey vs Entourage vs Sedona vs Sienna, etc [thegraduate]
Apr 15, 2008 (2:34 pm)
Amen.....I use CR to pick appliances....of course, some people view cars as appliances...that's why the Taurus was so popular. I mean, come on, a Taurus? What car guy or gal would pick a Taurus? I do admit I've rented a couple of Taurus' ( Tauri?). But I don't ignore CR. They do do great work. It's just that a car means more to me than an appliance. And I'm sure to most of you who read these forums and use Edmunds.
Apr 16, 2008 (10:33 am)
I had a 1992 Taurus long-stroke enging. In the 276,000 milometers I had it it never had an engine or transmission problem. The big problems were the brakes, wheel fender rust, wiper motors and tie rods.
#200 of 206 Re: Odyssey vs Entourage vs Sedona vs Sienna, etc [davethecarnut]
Apr 16, 2008 (2:15 pm)
Some fun cars also happen to be reliable.
You don't have to give up fun.
My Miata is 15 years old now and running like a top.
I want to upgrade to a 2006, but really this one is fine, I have no reason to. I wish it would break down!
#201 of 206 Re: Taurus [autowrite]
Apr 16, 2008 (6:47 pm)
I had a 1989 Taurus as my first vehicle (bought it at age 5 with 80K miles on it). I am still searching for a vehicle as comfortable with plenty of hip room in the front seat (tired of these vehicles with center consoles - give me a split front bench anyday). I got it to survive until 10 yrs/155K without major repairs. Of course had to do without AC for the last 4 years (couldnt afford to/didnt want to get it fixed as at the time conversion kits were non-existent and would cost thousands of dollars to convert to R134) - but it helped me learn all of the local backroads as stopping at a light in 100 degree heat in a black car was brutal. In the end the transmission was dead, actually for the last year of its life I couldnt use overdrive, had to just use the "D" setting. But from a comfort/value perspective there was nothing like it.
#202 of 206 Kia is great for budgets
Apr 27, 2008 (8:43 am)
For those on a budget, Kia is great. I would just make sure you really get a good deal on it though, if you are going to spend 30,000 on a vehicle, get the Honda for its good resale! However if you are like us, and need a deal, get the Kia. We just got a loaded-with-everything (luxury, power, dvd) 2007 Kia Sedona EX that was a Kia demo car with 1500 miles on it for only $19,500. For that, I think I can swallow some of the things like wind noise or whatever rattles crop up. However if I paid the 33,000 list price for the loaded, or even the 25,000-28,000 "retail", the petty things might seem bigger. Is it really worth paying $10,000 more just to make the inside quieter (maybe the wind noise will block out whining?)....not really for us. But then we've only had this one for two days (traded in our 2004 Sedona, needed more space.)
I will say we rented a Town and Country a few years ago on a trip and we hated it!
#203 of 206 Re: Kia is great for budgets [kitagrl]
Apr 28, 2008 (12:05 pm)
I agree and I think I've stated something similar before.
I've seen basic Hyundai Entourages, new, for under $20k.
At that price, they make no excuses.
FWIW, though, I got a fairly well equipped Sienna for $25 grand, power doors on both sides, 6CD, a lot of stuff that $20k Entourage would not have had.
So it's definitely not $10 grand more. Maybe $3-4k.
#204 of 206 Re: Kia is great for budgets [ateixeira]
Apr 28, 2008 (1:22 pm)
The Hyundai Entourages prices in Canada for the basics start at:
L AUTOMATIC $30,995.00
GL AUTOMATIC $33,395.00
GLS AUTOMATIC $37,495.00
Limited AUTOMATIC $39,495.00
Gas is currently $1.22 in Ontario oer litre and most other provinces at %1.34+
$1.22 works out to $4.61 per gallon. And as you know gas is going up! I am on a pension with a 2002 Odyssey. I am keeping it and keeping it in repair (possibly forever). It currently has 200,000 kms on it.
The next time I would probably want Honda's Stream (when it comes to NA) or Toyota's micro-minivan in a disel/electric hybrd.
#205 of 206 The CR reliability reports need to considered carefully
Apr 29, 2008 (4:18 am)
I just checked the CR website, the 2007 shows generally excellent reliability except for squeeks/rattles and body hardware. I haven't seen either on the two Entourage's I've had. There's a caveat in the detailed readings noting low rated vehicles aren't necessarily unreliable, nor does a high rating mean the line won't have problems. Also note it doesn't take many reports to move between the ratings - the top ratings are 1-2%, lower ratings exceed 3%. That's not a huge difference. One needs to read the other forums. Every brand has it's lemons and issues.
You should ask why I've had 2 Entourages already - the 2007 had major power steering issues that results in a lemon law exchange. Power steering hasn't been an issue on any other Entourage I've seen on forums, but we got a bad one. Other than that, I've been very happy with the Entourage.
#206 of 206 Re: Kia is great for budgets [autowrite]
May 01, 2008 (12:50 pm)
Canada, ah, that explains it.
In the US the price premium for a Toyota is closer to $3-4 grand USD.