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Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?

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Re: The right thing [Mr_Shiftright] by british_rover
May 22, 2007 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 22, 2007 9:23 am)

Not much of the Humvee has any relation to modern autos either. That and the Humvee is not a very good vehicle. The Humvee has a very narrow useable envelope. It is great at what it was designed for, a massive land war across continental europe, but we never had one of those.
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Re: The right thing [british_rover] by bpizzuti
May 22, 2007 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (May 22, 2007 9:55 am)

True, but there's also the FAV, which is basically a military go-kart/dune-buggy.
 
The military is eventually going to need a replacement for the Hummer, probably something smaller and more survivable. And GM and Ford are going to end up trying to make it...they'll have to.
 
What would be REALLY useful is a lightweight, WRX-type vehicle. Too bad no American manufacturers make anything like that, except for the rally version of the Focus.
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Re: The right thing [fezo] by jeffyscott
May 22, 2007 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 22, 2007 8:41 am)

I guess my thing is that if I see someone making an effort to maintain our American factory base and the product and price are competitive I'll likely buy from them.
 
Well, I actually tend to do the same in some cases...last time I bought tennis balls, I bought the made in US ones rather than the made in China ones. They were the same price and I assumed there was no quality difference between Penn and Wilson. I like New Balance shoes too, though I think mine were probably not made in the US ($35 on sale at Kohl's, IIRC). I'll have to take a look. I previously had no idea they made shoes in the US.
 
My Mazda6 was assembled by UAW labor in the US, but that was not a factor in buying it at all.
 
My wife's Jetta was assembled in Mexico, but that also was a non-factor. We are not opposed to those folks having some decent jobs, too.
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Re: The right thing [jeffyscott] by fezo
May 22, 2007 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (May 22, 2007 11:42 am)

"I like New Balance shoes too, though I think mine were probably not made in the US ($35 on sale at Kohl's, IIRC)."
 
You'd be right there. The stuff that's US made is high end stuff. You and I are working the other end... Just checked the shoes I'm wearing now - China. Of course I also managed to buy the one Chinese import that is expensive - (well, not actually bought but it sure cost) my five year old daughter. I do worry that someday she'll be asking me why I took her from this major economic powerhouse instead of just moving there....
 
I'm with you on the cars. Were I buying now a Mazda 6 would definitely get a look.
 
How's the Jetta? VW always makes me nervous. I once owned a Rabbit....
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Re: The right thing [fezo] by jeffyscott
May 22, 2007 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (May 22, 2007 11:55 am)

My wife is very happy with her Jetta, we only have about 18,000 miles on it, though. It is a very solid feeling and quiet car. It did need a couple warranty repairs, including the (Japanese made) transmission. I kind of expected a few issues, given that we bought an early edition of the new model.
 
I did point out to my wife that my 6 cost us $3000 less than her Jetta . OTOH, the Jetta was by far the lowest priced of all the cars she considered buying, so it was good that it was also the one she liked best .
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Re: The right thing [jeffyscott] by fezo
May 22, 2007 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (May 22, 2007 12:16 pm)

Yeah, that works.
 
Back when I bought our 00 Accord I really wanted a Passat but got cold feet. Just as well. Six months later the only nearby Volkswagen dealership burned to the ground. Seven years later they have started rebuilding but still aren't near opening.
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Re: From a consumer's point of view... [louiswei] by cooterbfd
May 22, 2007 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (May 22, 2007 5:20 am)

(1) Regardless where is a product made, as long as it has great quality at a reasonable price, people will buy it
 
I just hope that if push comes to shove, we'll still be able to get supplies we need in case any supplying country becomes hostile towards us (i.e. China, or S. Korea if the North were to invade, or any S. american country aligning w/ a country like Venezuela). I don't think we can trust anybody but ourselves, and even that is a stretch.
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Re: The right thing [bpizzuti] by nvbanker
May 22, 2007 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (May 22, 2007 8:42 am)

Trade needs to be reciprocal, and so do barriers. That means that if South Korea doesn't allow the US to export cars to them (and they don't) we reciprocate by restricting or eliminating their export of cars to us
 
I'm a free market guy, who would prefer to buy American where I can, and I agree with what you're saying as well. I'm all over the place, but here's the deal. I have driven mostly American (owned companies) cars all my life. But when Lincoln quit making luxury cars (about 05) I went to Lexus. I did it with not much remorse because Ford got what they deserved - they abandoned me, I didn't leave them.
 
As for where the car is made, I don't really care. I would rather buy GM or Ford, but if they make the car in Mexico to be competitive, that's fine. Toyota makes most of their cars in the US now - how strange? Not really, it escapes the import duty that way. These companies must do what they must do to remain competitive or die. Nobody thinks GM and Ford going away will be good for America - but they have to perform, and management and the unions must do whatever it takes to be competitive and survive. Anyway, that's how I feel.
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Re: The right thing [fezo] by nwng
May 23, 2007 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (May 22, 2007 11:55 am)

the made in the usa NB would costs about $90. I once bought them for someone who insisted on usa made NB ( at their factory store right here in MA)
 
And that someone lives in china, where you can get factory overflows dirt cheap.
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Re: The right thing [nwng] by bpizzuti
May 23, 2007 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: nwng (May 23, 2007 3:03 pm)

Well, that certainly says something about a possible quality difference, doesn't it?

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