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Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?

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Re: The right thing [Mr_Shiftright] by british_rover
May 22, 2007 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 22, 2007 7:39 am)

I don't get it either. Its not like WWII where we would have to convert all of the automobile factories into tank/artilery/heavy truck factories.
 
I would hope we never need to convert that much of our civilian production capacity over to war time production every again.
 
I don't think we even could do that. Modern automotive plants are so specialized that building tanks out of them would require a huge investment in time and money.
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Re: The right thing [bpizzuti] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 22, 2007 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (May 22, 2007 7:44 am)

True, true, but that was in the days of big land wars....it's all different now....wars are fought and decided in a matter of days or weeks and cost a LOT of money per day to run.
 
Long wars will only be small wars.
 
I WISH there was global competition to design a new Humvee--it's really proven to be not worth very much in modern warfare.
 
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Re: The right thing [british_rover] by steve_ HOST
May 22, 2007 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (May 22, 2007 7:47 am)

All those Humvees still need shocks and starters and stuff and I suspect that they use some of the same suppliers that the automakers use. I nosed around some of the defense sites the other day though and trying to decipher those relationships makes keeping track of ~300 car makes and models look easy. So who knows.
 
Anyone subscribe to Janes?
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Re: The right thing [british_rover] by bpizzuti
May 22, 2007 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (May 22, 2007 7:47 am)

Right after WW1 they thought (and hoped) they'd never have to convert so much civilian capacity again. Didn't quite work out that way. One never knows what the future holds, but it's be pretty bad if all of a sudden we needed that manufacturing capacity and didn't have it anymore, wouldn't it?
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Well, by fezo
May 22, 2007 (8:21 am)
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One thing that is different now is the huge capacity of military driven factories and companies. This is the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about so many years ago.
 
Year after year your money goes into keeping teh machine of that complex rolling. Sadly, it does not necessarily correlate to the needs or even the best interests of our military and our country.
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Re: The right thing [bpizzuti] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 22, 2007 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (May 22, 2007 8:10 am)

I dunno...somehow I don't think the future of the world belongs to whoever can make a Humvee. They are proving rather worthless these days.
 
But nonetheless....sure...whoever makes heavy trucks, payloaders, tractors, forklifts, busses...surely they can make whatever we need for defense.
 
Needing Humvees would be a poor excuse for keeping The Big Three corpses alive, should they further deteroriate I mean.
 
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Re: The right thing [Mr_Shiftright] by british_rover
May 22, 2007 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 22, 2007 8:23 am)

Not much of the Humvee has any relation to modern autos either. That and the Humvee is not a very good vehicle. The Humvee has a very narrow useable envelope. It is great at what it was designed for, a massive land war across continental europe, but we never had one of those.
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Re: The right thing [british_rover] by bpizzuti
May 22, 2007 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (May 22, 2007 8:55 am)

True, but there's also the FAV, which is basically a military go-kart/dune-buggy.
 
The military is eventually going to need a replacement for the Hummer, probably something smaller and more survivable. And GM and Ford are going to end up trying to make it...they'll have to.
 
What would be REALLY useful is a lightweight, WRX-type vehicle. Too bad no American manufacturers make anything like that, except for the rally version of the Focus.
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Re: The right thing [fezo] by jeffyscott
May 22, 2007 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 22, 2007 7:41 am)

I guess my thing is that if I see someone making an effort to maintain our American factory base and the product and price are competitive I'll likely buy from them.
 
Well, I actually tend to do the same in some cases...last time I bought tennis balls, I bought the made in US ones rather than the made in China ones. They were the same price and I assumed there was no quality difference between Penn and Wilson. I like New Balance shoes too, though I think mine were probably not made in the US ($35 on sale at Kohl's, IIRC). I'll have to take a look. I previously had no idea they made shoes in the US.
 
My Mazda6 was assembled by UAW labor in the US, but that was not a factor in buying it at all.
 
My wife's Jetta was assembled in Mexico, but that also was a non-factor. We are not opposed to those folks having some decent jobs, too.
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Re: The right thing [jeffyscott] by fezo
May 22, 2007 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (May 22, 2007 10:42 am)

"I like New Balance shoes too, though I think mine were probably not made in the US ($35 on sale at Kohl's, IIRC)."
 
You'd be right there. The stuff that's US made is high end stuff. You and I are working the other end... Just checked the shoes I'm wearing now - China. Of course I also managed to buy the one Chinese import that is expensive - (well, not actually bought but it sure cost) my five year old daughter. I do worry that someday she'll be asking me why I took her from this major economic powerhouse instead of just moving there....
 
I'm with you on the cars. Were I buying now a Mazda 6 would definitely get a look.
 
How's the Jetta? VW always makes me nervous. I once owned a Rabbit....

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