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Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?

1788 messages,  Last post on Mar 03, 2009 at 2:18 PM

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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [xrunner2] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 02, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 02, 2009 9:08 am)

Of course these cars were named after their creators, before there was even the concept of "marketing". Car ads when Mr. Buick and Mr. Olds were in their prime were very straightforward. They said things like "It'll get you there" and "easy to drive, even for women"----things like that. We are talking WW I era.
 
Buick and Olds were created in a different world. It's amazing they lasted as long as they did. Some say "Benz" is the oldest survivor, but actually Mercedes-Benz only dates from 1927.
 
Contrary to Mr. Obama, America did not "invent" the car, but we certainly invented how to make a lot of them efficiently.
 
An art we have apparently lost
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [Mr_Shiftright] by bpizzuti
Mar 02, 2009 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 02, 2009 9:13 am)

Contrary to Mr. Obama, America did not "invent" the car, but we certainly invented how to make a lot of them efficiently.
  
An art we have apparently lost

 
Oh, we can still make them more efficiently than anyone else. We just can't sell them at a profit.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [bpizzuti] by nippononly
Mar 02, 2009 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 02, 2009 9:23 am)

We make them so efficiently now that there are millions of unsold ones sitting around all the time, that have to be rebated to the hilt or gifted to the rental fleets just so we don't burst at the seams!
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [bpizzuti] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 02, 2009 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 02, 2009 9:23 am)

Well you have a point there. Making them and making them profitably and making them well are all different things.
 
Best car in world but priced too high = bankrupt
 
Just ask Pierce Arrow, Packard, Duesenberg, Auburn, Cord, Horch, Maybach, et al.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by kdhspyder
Mar 02, 2009 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 02, 2009 8:09 am)

I grew up in the hills in NW Jersey and learned to drive on old, traditional RWD American cars - like a 67 Pontiac Tempest and 66 Biscayne (both nice looking cars BTW). We lived on the middle part of an s curve heading downhill and I was fine. Never had a mishap. The only people who ever did have a problem on that hill were cases of opps rather than weather - like the mailman who forgot to set his brake and ended up with a Jeep in the woods
 
When I lived in the hills of NW Jersey for 20 yrs I'd shock people by saying that between my house and Cleveland the only things there were bears, golf courses and ski runs.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [kdhspyder] by fezo
Mar 02, 2009 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 02, 2009 11:37 am)

That's about right!
 
Where were you?
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by kdhspyder
Mar 02, 2009 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 02, 2009 12:28 pm)

Pompton Lakes and Wayne
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [kdhspyder] by fezo
Mar 02, 2009 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 02, 2009 2:15 pm)

Oh, you're kidding me. I spent the first 15 years of my life in Pompton Lakes. My youngest brother still lives in the house.
 
When I was 15 we inherited my grandfather's house and moved 5 miles up the road to Butler.
 
You one of those Pompton Lakes High School grads?
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [nippononly] by dtownfb
Mar 02, 2009 (4:18 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 02, 2009 8:51 am)

it was between Buick and Olds. I believe Buick sales were higher then. The funny part is Olds had their best sales the year they announced they were shutting it down. (Best sales for the time period).
 
The problem with Saturn is they had no plans beyond the first model. When that was successful, I think everyone in GM was shocked.
 
Americans want to buy American cars. But the domestics gave up the car market in the mid 90's. The year the Taurus lost the sales title, the second time, the Camry and Accord never looked back.
 
With GM's $9.6B loss in the 4th quarter and many analysts are saying to expect the same for the 1st quarter, the writing is on the wall. The accountants are assigning a "going concern" label to GM which is not good. Most of the talking heads are now saying enough is enough.
 
It should be a fun March. When does vette62 get back?
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by kdhspyder
Mar 02, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 02, 2009 3:59 pm)

No I moved there from NYC when I got married in '81...a transplant. 5 yrs later we moved up the road a piece to Wayne. We we directly in the sights of the PL dam during the flood of 83 or 84. If it gave way the lake would have washed over the top of our house.

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