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Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?

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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by bpizzuti
Mar 02, 2009 (3:22 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 01, 2009 6:56 pm)

The import crowd never moved over and the the traditional Olds customers moved on to something else.
  
Saturn, of course, was a completely different kettle of fish. They didn't know what to do with an originally pretty decent start and let it die.

 
It's not that...GM just has always been stretched too thin. They're just starting to realize it now (nearly 10 brands??) but they're still trying to avoid doing anything about it. Since none of them are truly unique it's harder to spin any of them back off to be independent companies, so now they're stuck in a hole of their own making. Toyota sells the same approximate number of models but with only 3 brands...that's a ton less overhead, and it also means fewer dealers cannibalizing each other for sales, lowering resale value.
 
GM dug their own hole, now they need to go bankrupt in it. Heck, Saab has already declared bankruptcy.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [Mr_Shiftright] by bpizzuti
Mar 02, 2009 (3:24 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 7:59 pm)

It may also be true with amount of goods...Boaz was only pointing out labor statistics. Fact is, America also has the most efficient workers in the world, which means it takes only X workers to make Y products. Whereas in China it probably takes X * 2 to make Y, hence a higher percentage of population employed in manufacturing.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [dtownfb] by kdhspyder
Mar 02, 2009 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Mar 01, 2009 5:35 pm)

We're going to be paying for this for a long, long time no matter what happens. The fact that the big banks don't have a good sense of what their losses are is inexcusable. Just heard on the radio tonight that AIG lost $60B the last quarter and needs another $30B. Unbelievable! All this fancy accounting is going to drag the country down more than anything in the auto industry. We can fix GM all we want. If no one can qualify to buy a car, it won't matter.
 
IMO it's all that fancy ( ficticious ) accounting that got us here in the first place. What's going on now is more basic accounting in doing the books they way that they should be done. It turns out the the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes all this time and we just didn't see it.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [gagrice] by lemko
Mar 02, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 8:08 pm)

Funny, all these electronic nannies in today's cars. I managed to get by on snow and ice in a 1968 Buick Special Deluxe with nothing more high-tech than studded snow tires.
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Re: The Mini and Fiesta [Mr_Shiftright] by lemko
Mar 02, 2009 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 12:50 pm)

Popular cars weren't boring at one time. The 1960s Chevrolet Impalas are an excellent example of a non-boring popular car. Heck, even a plain-jane Biscayne had interesting styling.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by lemko
Mar 02, 2009 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 01, 2009 6:56 pm)

Funny thing is, both the new style and old style Oldsmobiles appealed to me. I thought the Aurora and Intrigue were beautiful cars though a Ninety-Eight Regency was more my style.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [lemko] by fezo
Mar 02, 2009 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Mar 02, 2009 7:53 am)

My goodness - I agree with three consecutive lemko posts!
 
I grew up in the hills in NW Jersey and learned to drive on old, traditional RWD American cars - like a 67 Pontiac Tempest and 66 Biscayne (both nice looking cars BTW). We lived on the middle part of an s curve heading downhill and I was fine. Never had a mishap. The only people who ever did have a problem on that hill were cases of opps rather than weather - like the mailman who forgot to set his brake and ended up with a Jeep in the woods.
 
I liked both the new and old Oldsmobiles as well. I still think if they'd given them a bit more time and kept at the concept they were developing teh new ones would have worked. Yes, GM has too many brands but sometimes I think they cut the wrong one there and aren't sure now which is why they are hedging their bets - on our nickle of course...
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by nippononly
Mar 02, 2009 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 02, 2009 8:09 am)

Didn't Buick make Oldsmobile 100% redundant at the time? I am sure they just flipped a coin and Oldsmobile called 'tails'. Would htey have been better off planning in the late 90s to kill off Buick and keep Olds? Buick sure isn't setting the world on fire, would Oldsmobile have done so?
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [nippononly] by fezo
Mar 02, 2009 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 02, 2009 8:51 am)

Yeah, it was probably a coin flip and they thought Buick could make a better go of it.
 
Heck, I would have thought that Buick had more staying power ti it than has actually been the case.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [fezo] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 02, 2009 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 02, 2009 8:09 am)

I drove an MGA with snow tires in New York City for YEARS! Some good luck, some skill, some common sense---I got by just fine. (it was cold inside though).

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