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Automotive News & Views Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?
1788 messages, Last post on Mar 03, 2009 at 2:18 PM
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Replying to: dtownfb (Mar 01, 2009 5:35 pm) I always thought Oldsmobile just died off with the customers...unlike Saturn which got killed off by management. Hmm lets invest a whole lot of money and get people to like an American car...a moderately competitive import fighter...and then lets not update it for 10 years...that isn't "a different kind of car company," thats what Chrysler did with the Horizon.
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 01, 2009 6:14 pm) Saturn, of course, was a completely different kettle of fish. They didn't know what to do with an originally pretty decent start and let it die.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 5:54 pm) I'm not sure that is true anymore. we have shipped a lot of our labor off shore. Labor force - by occupation: US farming, forestry, and fishing 0.6%, manufacturing, extraction, transportation, and crafts 22.6%, managerial, professional, and technical 35.5%, sales and office 24.8%, other services 16.5% note: figures exclude the unemployed (2007) Labor force - by occupation: China agriculture: 43% industry: 25% services: 32% (2006 est.) Labor force - by occupation: Japan agriculture: 4.4% industry: 27.9% services: 66.4% (2005) Labor force - by occupation: Germany agriculture: 2.4% industry: 29.7% services: 67.8% (2005)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Mar 01, 2009 7:37 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 01, 2009 6:56 pm) Saturn, of course, was a completely different kettle of fish. They didn't know what to do with an originally pretty decent start and let it die. It's not that...GM just has always been stretched too thin. They're just starting to realize it now (nearly 10 brands??) but they're still trying to avoid doing anything about it. Since none of them are truly unique it's harder to spin any of them back off to be independent companies, so now they're stuck in a hole of their own making. Toyota sells the same approximate number of models but with only 3 brands...that's a ton less overhead, and it also means fewer dealers cannibalizing each other for sales, lowering resale value. GM dug their own hole, now they need to go bankrupt in it. Heck, Saab has already declared bankruptcy. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 7:59 pm) |
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Replying to: dtownfb (Mar 01, 2009 5:35 pm) IMO it's all that fancy ( ficticious ) accounting that got us here in the first place. What's going on now is more basic accounting in doing the books they way that they should be done. It turns out the the Emperor wasn't wearing any clothes all this time and we just didn't see it. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 8:08 pm) |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 12:50 pm) |
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 01, 2009 6:56 pm)
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