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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 10:37 am) Sure, once you modified it.  My sister bought the Mazda3 of the Corolla because she said the Toyota felt "tippy." As a bonus (in addition to the sway bars), she got rear disc brakes and a decent tire. Sounds like about what you had to do to get your Scion to be "satisfactory."
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Replying to: boaz47 (Mar 01, 2009 11:02 am) If people really felt that way, everything would come down to cost, and the '05 Taurus would still be the top selling car in the US. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 11:43 am) I was reminded of that every time I used to go to Scorekeepers in Ann Arbor.
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 01, 2009 12:03 pm) Here's an ad for a 2006 Scion xA. The asking price is exactly what I paid new for it! $13,100. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1054819475.html Here's a 2006 MINI (not an S) Asking price is $19495. I priced out a 2006 MINI in 2006 for $20, 480 (I still have the print out, so that's how I know). http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd/1055023974.html Pretty amazing, even if you cut 10% off these prices. Think you're gonna get these prices for a 2006 PT Cruiser? Don't think so. It's $8499, low miles from a dealer. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/1054724214.html
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 01, 2009 12:06 pm) 
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 01, 2009 12:04 pm)  I am not sure falling for advertising shows strength of character. But like I said, the most popular vehicles tend to be the one that have the least personality.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Mar 01, 2009 12:42 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 12:50 pm) |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 01, 2009 12:10 pm) I think that is par for the course now. My dad was amazed that for the first 3 years, his G35 required nothing beyond oil changes. That was it. The Subaru got new windshield wipers under warranty, that was it. I don't think that makes it exceptional I guess. Japanese cars being the same price new or used (or cheaper new with the Obama tax credits) is a California thing. Its why my brother and sister had Escorts in high school and college and not Civics (both of which handled drivers from 16-22 without complaint). |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 27, 2009 1:58 pm) News Flash! We are going to lose a bunch of suppliers no matter what happens to GM or Chrysler. There are too many cars being produced for the current market. Sales were artificially raised over the past 7-8 years due to the overuse of incentives/rebates and easy credit. Times have changed and the industry has to adjust. The government providing endless bridge loans is not going to help the industry but drag out the recession. GM could not make money when sales were at 17M 4 years ago. They can't make money now. If Cerberus does not want to invest their own money into Chrysler, why should we? Let's stop playing games and get down to business. Each company has had plenty of time to deal with this issue. GM knew back in 2005 things were coming unraveled. Daimler knew in 2006 which is why they unloaded Chrysler for a song. We're going to be paying for this for a long, long time no matter what happens. The fact that the big banks don't have a good sense of what their losses are is inexcusable. Just heard on the radio tonight that AIG lost $60B the last quarter and needs another $30B. Unbelievable! All this fancy accounting is going to drag the country down more than anything in the auto industry. We can fix GM all we want. If no one can qualify to buy a car, it won't matter. |
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