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Automotive News & Views Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 2:00 pm) Just not by the D3. As long as they carry $1500 to $3000 in legacy costs on each car they will not be able to build them with UAW labor. You cannot add $3000 to an Aveo and sell it. An Escalade maybe. Even a Silverado. Not a small car that will compete with Fit and Yaris. Ford Fiesta
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 28, 2009 2:47 pm) Which won't be built in the U.S......
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 28, 2009 2:57 pm) Only it sounds as if Ford may have another Honda/Toyota-killer on their hands. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 2:00 pm) Remember I said PROFITABLE small cars--I didn't say "cheap" small cars. Look thee to the MINI. |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 28, 2009 2:47 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 7:30 pm) Of course, this is just a niche vehicle---not enough volume to save their butts.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 28, 2009 7:41 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 7:48 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 28, 2009 8:04 pm)
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The UAW could build the Mini. Heck the Koreans could build it. It was rated less dependable than Chrysler and Subaru and just above chevy and Hummer in dependability by JD Powers last year. It seems as if BMW didn't put as much effort in it as they did the main brand. But a niche vehicle doesn't have to sell well only sell what they made. Toyota's Scion wasn't very bullet proof for a Japanese car by coming in under Hummer in dependability. Something is happening to the companies we used to trust and they don't have the UAW to blame. Thank goodness VW, KIA and Suzuki are still on the bottom. I was beginning to worry they migh move up on the list after all these years. Do they have the UAW? But I will agree the burden of the UAW is a hard one for the domestics to get by. Still if we assume we don't need the domestics anymore doesn't it follow we should get rid of anyone doing worse than they in dependability?  You know when it is all said and done it doesn't make a big difference one way or the other. Korea wouldn't let Kia die and all but forced Hyundai to buy them out. Something about not allowing a monopoly of only having one company in the country. Nissan should have folded but was saved by Renault. Subaru almost fell apart in the late 70s. Japan didn't need either of those companies. The key word was need. Hyundai isn't putting a full faith effort in improving Kia or Kia would be built as well as Hyundai. we simply have too many manufacturers in the world as it is and sooner or later, maybe quite a bit later there are only going to be five or six companies in the world. The US may or may not be part of that but that is just how things are. However I believe the new administration will come to the domestics aid and we all will be share holders in a government car company. Like it or not. 
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