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Does America Even Need Its Own Automakers?

1788 messages,  Last post on Mar 03, 2009 at 2:18 PM

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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [Mr_Shiftright] by kdhspyder
Feb 28, 2009 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 28, 2009 12:11 am)

.. but the verb was..."...build..."
 
It's still the corporate emphasis. Such vehicles like the Corolla, Civic, Cobalt, Focus all weigh about the same and are composed of about the same amount of materials. They all have about the same amount of direct labor ( not legacy costs ). I don't think we as Americans are any less capable of designing a small vehicle than the Japanese, Koreans, Italians or French. We may even have some creative advantages.
 
But the corporate influences heretofore have pushed the creative and manufacturing talents of the D3 toward building and perfecting larger more profitable vehicles. It's not the workers it's the managers.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [Mr_Shiftright] by boaz47
Feb 28, 2009 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 28, 2009 12:11 am)

That was weak, spyder. I expected better of you
 
I have often suspected you were way too optimistic.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [kdhspyder] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Feb 28, 2009 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 28, 2009 11:14 am)

Well if your argument is that better leadership and management would build a BETTER small American car, I'd agree with you 100%----presuming of course that the car was designed and engineered right in the first place.
 
One could very carefully assemble a badly designed part, and finish it beautifully, and it would still break.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [Mr_Shiftright] by kdhspyder
Feb 28, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 28, 2009 1:23 pm)

Yes we are saying the same thing.
 
Excellent small cars can be built in America, if management chooses to do so.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [kdhspyder] by gagrice
Feb 28, 2009 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 28, 2009 1:53 pm)

Excellent small cars can be built in America, if management chooses to do so.
 
Just not by the D3. As long as they carry $1500 to $3000 in legacy costs on each car they will not be able to build them with UAW labor. You cannot add $3000 to an Aveo and sell it. An Escalade maybe. Even a Silverado. Not a small car that will compete with Fit and Yaris.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [gagrice] by lilengineerboy
Feb 28, 2009 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 2:00 pm)

Excellent small cars can be built in America, if management chooses to do so.
 
Just not by the D3. As long as they carry $1500 to $3000 in legacy costs on each car they will not be able to build them with UAW labor. You cannot add $3000 to an Aveo and sell it. An Escalade maybe. Even a Silverado. Not a small car that will compete with Fit and Yaris.
 
Ford Fiesta
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [lilengineerboy] by nippononly
Feb 28, 2009 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 28, 2009 2:47 pm)

Ford Fiesta
 
Which won't be built in the U.S......
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [nippononly] by bpizzuti
Feb 28, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 28, 2009 2:57 pm)

It's gonna be just as American as a lot of cars from "American" companies.
 
Only it sounds as if Ford may have another Honda/Toyota-killer on their hands.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Feb 28, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Feb 28, 2009 2:00 pm)

well that's where leadership and management comes in. The legacy costs are just part of the challenge of doing it.
 
Remember I said PROFITABLE small cars--I didn't say "cheap" small cars.
 
Look thee to the MINI.
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Re: meanwhile, back at the ranch [lilengineerboy] by gagrice
Feb 28, 2009 (7:30 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 28, 2009 2:47 pm)

The Ford Fiesta is built all over the World. Just not in the USA by UAW workers. It would not be profitable. Same with any other small vehicle inexpensive vehicle. The Mini is a wonderful small car. I wonder if it could be built in the USA at a profit?

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