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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 2:27 pm) Next, who sells them??? If they can make 15,000 a year, and we get 7,500, and 40,000 people want one, can you smell dealer markup??? Lastly, I would think that it would be in line more w/ the Mitsu. Remember, they aren't talking 15,000 units until somewhere around 2012, well after the Volt will be out. So it's still a long way off. |
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and I notice that Pininfarina-Bollore is not making any announcement on pricing just yet. It's not one of those things where they're not sure about releasing the car, though. Their plans are definite and that includes the U.S. I am sticking to my estimate of $22,995. I have been wrong before, yes.  I find it interesting that they state in their press release that the car will go over 250 kilometres, which is 153 miles. So it would fit nicely in my needed mileage range. This puts in squarely in my personal radar, as that is the range I need to go play in Tucson, which is 80 miles away to our West. You'd have to see Willcox, then you'd understand.  cooter, they're not gonna overprice this car, believe me. gagrice, what is your price estimate on this little scooter, BTW? cooter, two things up front would sway me away from this car. 1) A price over $30,000(remember, there's an Obama $7,500 rebate that will be coming back to purchasers in the U.S.) 2) A sadly lacking Warranty Of these two dissuadants, the lacking Warranty is the one most likely to dissuade, IMHO, of course. It remains a lovely little car for aggressively pursuing for us. It is early on, I wholeheartedly agree on that. Another thing not yet laid out for our reading pleasure is U.S. dealer network for the car. And is that ever an important issue to still get hammered out. That can make or break their success in the U.S. for them. Also, no pricing or Warranty info. yet, just to reiterate.
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I think there is a wierd software problem or something. The "Electric Vehicle Pros & Cons" discussion seems to have been merged with this one. 
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What Every Car Guy Knows - GM's Survival and American Image 
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 16, 2008 3:44 pm) Support for bailing out the Big 3 in the Senate is very marginal, even among Democrats. Most thinking people see this as prolonging the end of the dinosaur era in Detroit. Close the doors and sell all the assets to keep the retirees going a few more years. If the worst case 3 million jobs lost comes true, it will still be less of a recession than Carter caused in the late 1970s. It will give Obama a chance to prove his worth as a leader.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 16, 2008 5:02 pm) Obama: Auto industry collapse would be 'a disaster (CNN)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 16, 2008 5:16 pm) "My hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan -- what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like? ALL parties need to get together and come up with a plan. It is not enough that a few guys on top take a big salary cut. That will not save GM in the long run. They HAVE to become competitive with ALL auto companies in the World. We are in a global market place. GM is still in the dark ages of being the only choice, take it or leave it. All those involved need to wake up and smell the coffee. Or look for a different line of work. Want some fries with that? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 16, 2008 5:02 pm) For the past three weeks, U.S. continuing jobless claims averaged 3.7 million, the highest figures since June 2003. In the meantime, let the chips fall where they may. Either way, jobs need to go. Any other plan that does not face this reality is a waste and prolong this necessary evil. Pay now or later. The industry will be downsized Gov't bailout or not. Funny how the management of the car companies and the all-knowing pundits say bankruptcy is sheer disaster and no one will buy their cars in Ch. 11. Well, wake up and smell the COFFEE! No one is going to buy these cars because of all the press regarding a bailout either. Let's see what the Big 3 sell in November. No sale, cut expenses and the products that do not sell. I never learned: no sale, ask for government help? What the heck are we turning into? The line is forming behind closed doors as we speak! I will apply for a Government Grant to start an auto company as long as I get part of the T.A.R.P. to support failure. It's a Win/Win. No risk! Guess who's assets I will buy for pennies/dollar??  Regards, OW |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 16, 2008 1:41 pm) Yes but cooter, 500,000 is a LONG way from 3 million. AND those jobs would go away in phases, as less than 25% of that number is direct job losses at GM (I'm not including Ford, as I think they will make it through). We have lost more than 3 times that number of jobs just in the last 10 months. If we lose that many more in the next 10, all it will do is extend the recession, not make things any worse than they are now. Looks like it is a moot point anyway, as it seems the Repubs are dead set against giving the domestics any money at this point, and GM probably won't make it to the new year. I think it's weird that in the midst of the worst crisis GM has ever seen, they continue plugging away at the Volt. Shouldn't all spending on R&D cease when the company is looking at not being in business in 60 days' time? Even if they avoid the big 'B' this car is going to do little for the bottom line for at least a decade.
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