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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 6:32 am) Regards, OW |
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the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore has jumped to the top of my list for next-car. Mitsu's i-MIEV doesn't have the range of the B0 but is going to be just as well-built, if not better built than the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0. I'm going to continue to research both cars. |
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 15, 2008 9:37 pm) |
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with the all-electric. They're needing $40,000 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? I mean, really. What a joke. That's not going to help you guys get out of trouble, overcharging for that car. I would limit it's price to $30,000 and lobby the Obama Administration for the $7,500 alternative energy rebate surety on that one. If you don't want to offer the talked-about $2,000 Chevrolet manufacturer's rebate on the car, don't. But don't ask $40,000 for this car to help finance your raspberry jelly donut and Starbuck's board meetings. When are you guys gonna get hip to the fact that America doesn't like you much anymore?  And you are an American carmaker, right?
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 15, 2008 8:30 pm) This may be true, but a few years ago, Toyota was bragging about how they employed SEVERAL HUDRED THOUSAND people in the US. There was a small disclaimer about including jobs created as a result of them being there. Nobody disputed their claims, even though they were counting the new restauraunt that opened a few blocks from the assembly plant, that has absolutely no association w/ Toyota. So, maybe C.A.R. includes the restauraunt that will CLOSE as a result of an assembly plant that closes due to bankruptcy. Either way you look at it, the facts that the automakers are spewing include the same factors and consequences of them being there, or not.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 1:36 pm) I agree $40K is way expensive for this car. But, at this point, GM can't afford for it to be a loss leader. However, as far as your electric only car, what price do you put on not having to plan a day trip auound an electric charge (on a cloudy day)??? |
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oh, man, I'll be all over that one like white on rice. I will plug-in and re-charge the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0 overnight. It only takes 5 hours to charge up! At this point I'm pining to find more information on how it's regenerative braking system and photovoltaic solar panels will automatically be re-charging the car whilst I travel dangerously close to being out of it's range, which is 153 miles. Right now I don't see a reasonable explanation as to why this little all-electric shouldn't sit in my SE Arizona driveway in late-2010. Only 2,000 available in late 2010, though, so better make your connections early if you want one. Chevy dropped out of contention for sure with their Volt with me early this morning when I learned that Pininfarina-Bollore are definite in their plans to export this pup to the U.S. BTW-clouds are infrequent here in southern Arizona, I'm a perfect candidate to snap one of these little cars up. I have a warm and fuzzy feeling that I could experience automatic re-charge of my B0's battery pack as I travel. Have you ever been to Arizona, cooter? I'm serious, this place is sunny so much of the time when even California to our West is cloudy and rainy, or just cloudy. This place is the perfect testing ground for one of these cars, bring 'em on! This thing is moving fast, and I'm starting to make solid plans on buying one of these cars.  larsb, ya out there? Read up, my man!
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 6:32 am) "It is expected to become available in Europe, Japan and even here in the good old US of A by late 2010, starting with an initial run of 2000 vehicles. In 2011, that number is targeted to increase to 8000 units, 11,000 in 2012 and 15,000 in subsequent years." |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 16, 2008 2:01 pm) |
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I'm going on the worldwide economic trouble-thing. I mean, if Pininfarina-Bollore announce a price of $30,00 for this thing, I would seriously drop out of the race for one. They will have a lot of technology integrated, but they own the battery-production center, it's owned by one of the partners, Bollore of France. For early benchmarking, you are spot on for fairly high pricing. Mitsubishi has announced prices in the $28,000 area for their new all-electric, the i-MIEV. And these two cars are similar in size, I'll have to compare their weights later. But it would stand to reason that Pininfarina-Bollore will for sure ask more than $20,000 for the car. I don't know, I just think that with the bad economic climate both Mitsu and Pininfarina-Bollore will have to chop their pricing expectations a decent chunk. What do you think they'll ask for the car? I'm sticking with $22,995. I'm usually pretty good at predicting car pricing, but, this is no ordinary car. They could ask $30,000 for the thing. One reason that Mitsubishi still stands to get my business is their generous Warranty. My '08 Lancer GTS has a 10 year, 100,000 mile Warranty. They should offer the same Warranty on the i-MIEV for 2010. So, that speaks volumes to me, if a manufacturer will stand behind their car with a Warranty like that. Pretty impressive and IMO helps add to increased sales. So that will be counter-balancing my excitement over the new B0.
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