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#1139 of 1788 Re: Another Point of View [fezo] by steve_ HOST Nov 14, 2008 (12:24 pm)
Replying to: fezo (Nov 14, 2008 12:20 pm) A friend of mine used to live in the Gap (worked for the NPS at the time). Nice spot and he gave us a private tour of Pinchot's Grey Towers too.   Filed under unintended consequences?
#1140 of 1788 Re: I wanted to buy GM until... [nippononly] by andre1969 Nov 14, 2008 (12:40 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Nov 14, 2008 9:05 am) But I will add that when new cars are sitting around on dealer lots literally for YEARS as they do at GM dealers in my area, the current excess capacity of the industry is all too obvious.   That experience rung a bell with me, too. A few weeks ago, I went to a Cadillac-LaSalle show at a local Caddy/Buick/GMC/Et Al dealership. Okay, this is the 2009 model year, right? Well, they had a new 2007 GMC Canyon pickup sitting in their showroom that they were trying to unload. I forget how much they wanted for it...they knocked something like $6K off but IMO that was still too much for something that's two model years old. Replies to this message: fezo (Nov 14, 2008 12:42 pm) nippononly (Nov 14, 2008 12:55 pm)
#1141 of 1788 Re: I wanted to buy GM until... [andre1969] by fezo Nov 14, 2008 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 14, 2008 12:40 pm) At least they didn't have a new LaSalle there. Replies to this message: nippononly (Nov 14, 2008 12:55 pm)
#1142 of 1788 Re: Another Point of View [fezo] by xrunner2 Nov 14, 2008 (12:43 pm)
Replying to: fezo (Nov 14, 2008 12:20 pm) The good thing that came out of it was the area became the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area which is quite beautiful. You would not believe you're maybe an hour from New York City.   Have seen it and would agree. There are many beautiful parts of New Jersey away from Newark area. Jersey gets a bad rap from comedians who probably never venture beyond the NY/Newark area.   Just like GM today, Jersey "Gets no respect". Replies to this message: fezo (Nov 14, 2008 12:52 pm) dtownfb (Nov 14, 2008 2:19 pm)
#1143 of 1788 Re: Another Point of View [xrunner2] by fezo Nov 14, 2008 (12:52 pm)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 14, 2008 12:43 pm) yeah. I spent my first 29 years not more than 30 miles from there. May yet end up back that way since while the beach is nice I miss the hills and the twisty roads that go with them.
#1144 of 1788 Re: I wanted to buy GM until... [fezo] by nippononly Nov 14, 2008 (12:55 pm)
Replying to: fezo (Nov 14, 2008 12:42 pm) At least they didn't have a new LaSalle there.   ROTFLMAO! Good one, fezo!   I have seen new cars up to 3 model years past their expiry date at GM dealer lots, still unsold for the first time. I think GM dealers are unique in that regard.
#1145 of 1788 I heard... by lemko Nov 14, 2008 (1:29 pm)
...there's a Chrysler dealer near me that has a loaded brand-new never-titled 1979 Chrysler New Yorker Fifth Avenue with the 360 V-8 with three miles on it that's hermetically sealed in a climate controlled facility and they're asking $6K off the original 1979 selling price. Any takers? Replies to this message: fezo (Nov 14, 2008 1:30 pm) qbrozen (Nov 14, 2008 1:35 pm) tsf4860 (Nov 15, 2008 8:25 pm) andre1969 (Nov 18, 2008 5:55 am)
#1146 of 1788 Re: I heard... [lemko] by fezo Nov 14, 2008 (1:30 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Nov 14, 2008 1:29 pm) Where's Andre?
#1147 of 1788 Re: I heard... [lemko] by qbrozen Nov 14, 2008 (1:35 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Nov 14, 2008 1:29 pm) they're asking $6K off the original 1979 selling price   ummm.... doesn't that mean its free? Or they are paying someone to take it? hell, even I'd buy it for THAT price.   edit: awww... heck. Thought I was in the Project Cars forum. ;P
#1148 of 1788 Re: The American People have spoken.... [jeffyscott] by dtownfb Nov 14, 2008 (2:18 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Nov 14, 2008 11:25 am) Now, if it is true that they can not get credit that will allow them to stay in business and their customers can not get credit that will allow them to buy cars, they are to some extent victims of those that created this crisis (you know, the financial institutions that are getting bailed out). Granted they may only be victims in that the credit crisis is the straw that is about to break the camels back, but I have a hard time with the idea of billions for wall street crooks and not one penny for manufacturers of actual products, who provide good paying jobs for a few of those who did not go to business school and learn how to really rape the economy.   Again, GM was losing money before this credit crisis. They haven't reported a profit since 2004. GM's management needs to look in the mirror to find the blame.

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