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#10 of 15 Re: . [accelerator] by trucktricks May 23, 2007 (8:14 am)
Replying to: accelerator (May 22, 2007 6:02 am) I wondered about the turbo-lag issue. Turbo lag has been a problem with some (most?) of the high performance engines of the past. The engine designers are finding ways around that now.   Solutions have included twin scroll impellers (like the Solstice), ceramic impellers and even plastic impellers. BMW has even gone to using two small turbos like on the 335i.   Interestingly enough, the 3.0 liter in the BMW with two turbos produces 300HP. This is 1.63 HP/cubic in. A far cry from the 2.1 HP/cubic in. of the Solstice. And this coming from a manufacturer known for their engines. I would suggest the GM boys have one-upped them on this one.   At any rate, my somewhat brief (10 mi.) drive in the GXP revealed no noticeable turbo lag and very, very snappy shifts. Replies to this message: accelerator (May 23, 2007 8:46 am)
#11 of 15 Re: . [trucktricks] by accelerator May 23, 2007 (8:46 am)
Replying to: trucktricks (May 23, 2007 8:14 am) In my previous turbo, if I accelerated too hard/long, boost would charge and the turbo would kick in but I didn't like that when I was in rush hour traffic. You have to watch the turbo guage and back off the throttle just before booast was reached to avoid that rapid acceleration. I guess you could say the same thing about VTEC but with VTEC, you control it more than it controls you. Make sense? I don't recall any lag on the GXP I drove. I also didn't drive the GXP in rush hour I can't compare that to the normal, green light, go, red light stop, test drive I did (also about 10 miles).   I've driven a couple of BMW (none were boosted) at demonstration events in the past and aside from the way a BMW looks (which I love the exterior lines), they just don't "fit" me. Even despite that, I prefer to be a bit more unique. I live in a pretty prominent part of town and everyone has a BMW or Mercedes or Lexus.   The Solstice/Sky/S2000 are far more unique and rare. Does that say something about how I view myself? Of course it does! That is why I want a roadster!   I'm on day 5 and 500 miles into my new S2000 and am 110% satisfied with my choice; And I've NEVER been able to say that about any car I've owned in the past except my 2000 Toyota Tacoma (but that is for another thread).   I may still take a Solctice/Sky for a test drive in another year once more tweaks have been made. But I do have to say, the power top of the S2000 is a fantastic feature. I was heading home Friday after work with heavy cloud cover and I didn't think I would make it home before the bottom dropped out. In the solstice, I probably would have left the top up since it is a bit more complicated to put up/down. In the S, I knew I only needed 4 seconds and I could have the top up. So, on a Friday evening after a long week and a hectic day, I left work with the top down enjoying the cool breeze on my face, with the radio cranked up. Good times...   ... and yes, it did rain but I managed to stay dry.
#12 of 15 hold on hold on give the u.s.a. a chance by solstice375 Nov 12, 2007 (12:53 am)
O.K. guys we are all going off of motor trend reports and commercially recognized opinions. what about what is real, there are alot of things about the solstice that i love, some people see the long gears as a flaw. but i think it's a step up. it's good to get away from those 1 second shifting ricers like the miata and civic, honestly... one thing the civic may be reliable but people who focus on performance like me... who really cares about reliability. and as of power. my solstice pushes about 375 Hp give the united states a chance we are all too use to these squeeky little japanese toys, that we think all compact sports cars should perform like them... the solstice is a roadster not a ricer. it's going to be deeper in tone and have longer gears that is its nature. get use to it. if you want toy go buy and integra or mazda-3 know the difference people. Replies to this message: fedlawman (Nov 12, 2007 4:44 am) anythngbutgm (Nov 12, 2007 5:12 am) fedlawman (Nov 12, 2007 5:53 am)
#13 of 15 Re: hold on hold on give the u.s.a. a chance [solstice375] by fedlawman Nov 12, 2007 (4:44 am)
Replying to: solstice375 (Nov 12, 2007 12:53 am) Thanks for mentioning that the Miata is legendary for it's very slick shifter and proven bulletproof reliability.   Also, I'm sure it was an innocent oversight, but you forgot to mention that the GXP weighs 500 lbs more and costs $5000 more than a Miata, and also lacks the Miata's telepathic steering, neutral chassis, large trunk, high quality materials, and simple/quick operating cloth top.   What happened to GM's promise of a world-class, lightweight, affordable, back-to-basics sports car? Instead, we got a "traditional" American sports car - mediocre parts-bin mechanicals/underpinnings covered up with good looks and horsepower. Replies to this message: anythngbutgm (Nov 12, 2007 5:12 am) fedlawman (Nov 12, 2007 5:53 am)
#14 of 15 Re: hold on hold on give the u.s.a. a chance [fedlawman] by anythngbutgm Nov 12, 2007 (5:12 am)
Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 12, 2007 4:44 am) Bob Lutz had a pricepoint in mind when he came up with the concept. That pricepoint was a lot lower once the beancounters got their say.   "squeeky little japanese toys" LOL, My S is going on 4 years old and it doesn't squeek on bit. Still tight as a drum. Replies to this message: fedlawman (Nov 12, 2007 5:53 am)
#15 of 15 Re: hold on hold on give the u.s.a. a chance [anythngbutgm] by fedlawman Nov 12, 2007 (5:53 am)
Replying to: anythngbutgm (Nov 12, 2007 5:12 am) The target was under $20K IIRC.   Americans have been describing Japanese cars with these terms for 30+ years - mostly out of insecurity. I'd feel insecure too if I spent $30,000 on a Solstice.

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