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#31 of 60 Re: The above post is true [iluvmysephia1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 25, 2007 (7:44 am)
The problem is that for every Toyota blunder, GM had five....so the negative "noise" is proportionally greater---maybe that's all you're seeing?
Besides all that, the American consumer is not stupid....he/she knows the buy the best car for the money...that was not the Renault LeCar, it was not the Dodge Neon, it was the Honda Accord.
But let's say you're RIGHT....that the media favors Toyota.
The reason for that might also have nothing to do with conspiracy. The reason might be:
Everybody loves a winner....
it's a form of celebrity in other words....
May 25, 2007 (10:19 am)
I agree with your summation.
I will simply add that the next few months and next few years are going to be very, very interesting to watch because now Mr.Alan Mulally must make some hay from his millions for Fo-Mo-Co and not just his own pocketbook.
GM needs to continue to win back(or start winning back)American car buyers and I see some decent new product arriving. Saturn's lineup has never looked better to me before...at least on the net. More good choices available because these carmakers need to put up or go home. It's playoff time!
That's what I'm saying..let's keep brass-tacking for solid results. I am wondering if Toyota can stay on top and if people are gonna do more research before "family" buying or just buying what people tell them are good cars.
Heck, I truly believe my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS is a good car and Mitsubishi was talked about having to pull out of the American car market. There's a lot of Japanese pride being hammered in to those rigs. I am very, very impressed with my Lancer GTS.
I agree Toyota is a celebrity and the media is impressed. Let's find some more info. and solid anchorages in this scene is all I'm saying. Cut through the fluff a tad more.
#33 of 60 The internet
May 28, 2007 (5:48 pm)
and forums like these and around the internet help cut through the fluff . Here in these forums you find out about recalls, TSB's or problems that folks are having with their vehicles. The media cannot stop it from spreading like wildfire when a problem arises with a vehicle. Which is why you have to question Toyota's reliability numbers? I visit about 6 other forums and there are plenty of peeved off Toyota and Honda owners out here on the net. Which really makes me question how reliable they really are? I'm sure Toyota/Honda make good vehicles.. But are they really that much better than Ford/GM/Hyundia/Subaru/ or ???
#34 of 60 Re: The internet [scape2]
May 28, 2007 (6:28 pm)
I bought an Accord 16 years ago. I had the car for 12 years (140,000 miles). The car was everything I could have wanted, and more. So when I was ready to buy a new car, I had an idea what car would be a good bet (another Accord). Say I would have bought a Ford product 16 years ago. Even if I thought it had been a good car, are any of the cars made by Ford 16 years ago still being made? The media (like me) has an idea what kind of car the Accord will be, before it hits the lots. They (the media) and I have no idea how good the new Fords are, because we have no good reputation to follow through the years. When I am betting my $25,000 on a car, I want a "sure thing" not a 60% chance. The "Media" has raved about domestic cars before, only to be disappointed later, and their readers let them know about it. Once bitten, twice shy, you might say.
#35 of 60 Re: The above post is true [iluvmysephia1]
May 30, 2007 (8:11 am)
There are two things that people always talk about when bashing Toyota and Honda: Engine sludge and Honda's automatic transmission problems. Problem with this is that there are so few of these "problems" that it does not really matter to most people. I THINK that is why the media has not picked up on these issues. Just my opinion, based on some real-life conversations, relationships, and experiences.
#36 of 60 Re: The above post is true [mcdawgg]
May 30, 2007 (7:54 pm)
"Problem with this is that there are so few of these "problems" that it does not really matter to most people"
500,000 Honda vehicles are a few??
This is just one link.. there are more to older gen Honda products with automatic transmission issues.. Google it!
#37 of 60 Re: The above post is true [scape2]
May 31, 2007 (12:58 pm)
That article is three yeas old? Got something more current?
And I say that as someone who had one of those transmissions. It wasn't the first van I had transmissions on. That was a Ford and you would have thought I was a leper the way Ford treated me. Honda immediately agreed to the replacement and rented me a vehicle while it was in the shop. Total time - 2 days. Total expense - zero.
When I look in the vans forums I see the Honda transmission one, but I also see a transmissions issue on every van. On most other vans there are dozens of other common defects.
Can Honda make a mistake? You bet. Do they know hpw to treat a customer under such circumstances? Enough that when I replaced the van I bought another Ody.
#38 of 60 Re: The above post is true [fezo]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 31, 2007 (3:23 pm)
I call the Big Three's image problem the "Bad Dog Syndrome".
Basically it goes like this. You buy a dog and he bites every member of your family, sometimes REALLY badly. Even an occasional mauling.
So..... You take him to a specialist, he goes away to Dog Rehab for 2-3 years and finally the trainers/experts bring him back and say: "He's perfectly fine now. Look, here are videos of him playing frisbee, and one of our staff took him home for two weeks and he didn't bite anybody".
But you know, the Big Three is like that dog. He's very cute and we'd all like to pet him but many of us don't trust him enough to take him back in the house with the kids.
When Toyota says "Okay we screwed up, but it's FIXED!", for some reason I believe that.
When the Big Three says the exact same thing, I scrunch up my face and go...."yeah, rigggghhhhttttt....."
Terrible, isn't it?
#39 of 60 Re: The above post is true [Mr_Shiftright]
May 31, 2007 (6:37 pm)
Big three, Bad dog, great analogy. I love it LOL.
#40 of 60 Re: The above post is true [elroy5]
May 31, 2007 (6:42 pm)
Honda Accords have had a few problems with head unit lights going out. Honda has said they will cover the head units "out of warranty". My head unit has not gone out, but it's nice to know that even if it does, it will not cost me anything to get a replacement. Would Ford do this? I think not. How does Honda retain so many repeat customers? By treating them right. You can never please all the people, all the time, but at least Honda tries.