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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

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What is this discussion about? Kia Rondo, Mitsubishi Outlander, Hyundai Santa Fe, Toyota RAV4, Mazda MAZDA5, Car Buying, Wagon


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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [ateixeira] by riproy
Jun 20, 2008 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 02, 2008 7:56 am)

Aside from the 5 speed auto, what are the other powertrain upgrades? I notice the manual trans models have improved ratings too. What is responsible?
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [riproy] by coolmazda5
Jun 21, 2008 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: riproy (Jun 20, 2008 1:01 pm)

Owning an 06 and an 08 I don't see a critical difference (both Manual) but the 08 seems more efficient overall (feels a little bit smoother as well). I'm assuming the improvements are mostly 3 years of engine fine-tuning and PCM enhancements.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [coolmazda5] by ateixeira
Jun 24, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jun 21, 2008 3:56 pm)

Well, it was the automatics that got the major upgrade.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Jun 24, 2008 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 24, 2008 12:41 pm)

Agree, but I was focusing on the 2nd part of the question though:
 
I notice the manual trans models have improved ratings too. What is responsible?
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [coolmazda5] by riproy
Jun 26, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jun 24, 2008 4:47 pm)

Coolmazda5,
Are the gear ratios the same on both your 5s? One thing i find is that the RPMs are quite high when running at 100kph relative to other 4 cylinder cars i have driven. Leaves me wishing for a 6th gear.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [riproy] by coolmazda5
Jun 26, 2008 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: riproy (Jun 26, 2008 10:41 am)

Yes indeed, they seem high but I don't drive at that speed for long distances. As a matter of fact I like the torque at that RPM range, no need to downshift when going uphill!
 
Now, I remember seeing a post of a person in Denmark with a 6-speed 2.0L Gas (not diesel) Mazda5 and the RPMs were very similar to the 5-speed:
 
6th speed (Manual, Europe, 2.0L): 120km/hr ~3400RPM
5th speed (Manual, NA, 2.3L): 75MPH, ~120km/hr ~3500RPM
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3-d row for 6ft tall: Rondo vs Mazda by uzv
Jul 16, 2008 (11:05 am)
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I'm 6 ft tall and currently own Dodge Caravan (short ver) with 7 seats and looking to replace with smaller but 6-7 seat.
1.
Visited Mazda dealer and played just with Mazda5 seats for 15 min:
Adjusted seats to the BEST possible sitting for myself (6ft tall) in ALL rows (1,2,3)
The result:
1 row - good
2 row- so-so : problem with feet (does not fit well under 1 row seat)
3 row - bad : feet just does not feet under 2nd row seat
                     There is solution but for only one foot - to stuck it between
                     2nd row seats (other foot has to be cut of to be comfortable)
So Mazda5 3d row - for kids ONLY.
2.
Visited KIA dealer and played just with Rondo seats for the same 15 min:
Adjusted seats to the BEST possible sitting for myself (6ft tall) in ALL rows (1,2,3)
The result:
1 row - good
2 row- good
3 row - Ok : head is very close to ceiling
So Rondo 3d row - Ok for 6ft adults
IMPORTANT: the main thing is to readjust ALL rows to achieve good result in each row
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Mazda 5 Diesel by wjtinatl
Jul 16, 2008 (4:33 pm)
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Would love to see Mazda offer the 5 with the Ford Duratorq 2.2L diesel. This engine delivers 175 hp/295 lb ft torque and delivers 40 mpg in Euro trim. Couple that with the 6 speed autobox and there wouldn't be a better combination of efficient space utilization, economy and fun to drive out there. I'd gladly pay $1500 over the 2.3L currently offered. Otherwise, this is a fantastic vehicle!
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Kia Carens by ateixeira
Jul 30, 2008 (12:09 pm)
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Found this rather amusing, the Rondo is called the "Carens" in Brazil, where it also costs R$79,900, or about $51 grand at today's exchange rates.
 
Crazy, huh? Here it's a price-leader, there it's kind of upscale.
 
A Kia Sportage costs only slightly less, a Hyundai Tucson is about the same price.
 
Rondo owners should count their blessings!
 
The Santa Fe is sold as a loaded leather-lined AWD model only but costs a whopping R$149,000, over $94 grand!
 
The RAV4 costs even more than that! Yikes!

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