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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

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What is this discussion about? Kia Rondo, Mitsubishi Outlander, Hyundai Santa Fe, Toyota RAV4, Mazda MAZDA5, Car Buying, Wagon


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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [joe97] by coolmazda5
Oct 14, 2007 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 13, 2007 4:39 pm)

Yes, good to see the SUV growth slowing down a bit. Except for very few cases, SUV type functionality is not necessary for where is driven.
 
As per the Mazda5 sliding doors I agree, I believe the main issue in North America is the fact that in these markets sliding doors mean vans or minivans by default. The minivan concept was invented here after all. Also, the Mazda5 came around the time of the Mazda MPV market exit, so it did not support the MAV market idea here.
 
Other interesting thing, possibly related to the one above, is the fact that only very few car research organizations place the Rondo and the Mazda5 in the same segment. Check in here, Where is the Rondo?:
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Compact-Wag- - - - - ons/
 
On the other side (talking about minivans and vans):
http://www.canadiandriver.com/minivans/minivan1.htm
 
http://www.newcars.com/mazda/mazda5/reviews/ford-e150.html
 
It makes me laugh when I read that the Mazda5 is too small, of course, when compared to what?
 
This one is interesting though:
http://www.prdomain.com/companies/F/FordMotor/newsreleases/200792146404.htm
"I looked at their script and envisioned a Mazda5 in every driveway," said Witter. “There isn’t a better example of an upwardly mobile starter car for families. It’s not only sporty looking it has three rows of seats which makes it great for kids."
 
Now, if you ask a Mazda5 owner (I agree, we are a market minority) the sliding doors top the must-have list as, in reality, it makes the car so versatile.
 
Well, too much blah, blah. I have enjoyed my car every mile since, it has exceeded my wife's (primary driver) and my expectations with no issues so to what segment is classified in, I'm not worried anymore .
 
Plus if you see, in all the disparate car comparisons is included in, still fares very well.
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Re: Compare [coolmazda5] <My typing is neven worse these days! by gizzer777
Oct 14, 2007 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Oct 14, 2007 3:41 am)

Sorry..about my typing!!!! It has been getting worse of late!
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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [coolmazda5] by conwelpic
Oct 14, 2007 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Oct 14, 2007 5:08 am)

"Other interesting thing, possibly related to the one above, is the fact that only very few car research organizations place the Rondo and the Mazda5 in the same segment. Check in here, Where is the Rondo?:"

Its ranked #5
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/2007-Kia-Rondo/
 
they screwed up on their main list as they have a tie for #4 positions and no #5. It has a rating of 7.9
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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [conwelpic] by coolmazda5
Oct 14, 2007 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: conwelpic (Oct 14, 2007 3:07 pm)

Yes, I know is in there, but Compact Wagons are different from Full Size Wagons. Now, anywhere else in the World both Rondo and Mazda5 are in the same category (in summary they are not comparing apples to apples).
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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [coolmazda5] by taz16
Oct 15, 2007 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Oct 14, 2007 5:36 pm)

Yes I agree with CoolMazda5 there are in the same category just like the Chevy HHR and the aging PT Cruiser(which can you believe has been in the same generation for 7 yrs now and probably wont be resigned until 09 or 2010!!!) and then by the way lets not the forget the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe which basically are the same cars.(They are getting resigned next yr. as a 09 model along with the Corolla)
 
For 2009, Kia should offer in the Rondo the 3.3 liter V6 which is in the Santa Fe (lol) and Sonata and also the base Azera.
 
Mazda should put in MAzda5 the Ford sourced 3.0 V6 which is in the Mazda6 and the Tribute or how about this, put in its big bro CX-7 Turbo 4 Cylinder in it.(MazdaSpeed5 lol)
 
But thats probably just wishful thinking with both Crossovers for me.
 
IF they do that will help them greatly because the lack of power is one of their major complaints. Thats mostly due to their almost 2 1/2 ton curb weight
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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [taz16] by bobw3
Oct 16, 2007 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: taz16 (Oct 15, 2007 4:08 pm)

I'd rather see the Rondo & Mazda5 get better MPG...at least high 20s to low 30s average. They're currently only getting not much better than a full-size minivan or CUVs.
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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [bobw3] by bgw
Oct 16, 2007 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 16, 2007 5:30 am)

My 2007 EX V6 7-seater has been getting 28-29 mpg on the highway, and 24-25 around town.
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Re: Rondo/Mazda5 [bgw] by taz16
Oct 16, 2007 (3:34 pm)
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Replying to: bgw (Oct 16, 2007 12:33 pm)

Yup I agree with bgw, their gas mileage is actually good and comapare well with 4-Cyl compact and midsize cars, and thats just the V6 model, should the 4 should do even better than that.
Also like I mention before about fuel ecomony its good and both them weight as much as Small SUV's, but more frugal in gas, also the more stricted fuel regulations, that lower there fuel ecomony mpg as with mostly every other single automobile.
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2008 Mazda5 for North America. Updated Pics by coolmazda5
Oct 17, 2007 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: taz16 (Oct 16, 2007 3:34 pm)

More details and pics:
 
eilros, "Mazda5" #1206, 16 Oct 2007 7:03 pm
 
- 2nd row seat A/C vents
- Updated Central Console
- Very distinctive exterior new color
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Outlander tops Consumer Report "best" list. by piast
Oct 19, 2007 (6:28 am)
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This is a copy of "carstalk" post from another tread on this forum:
" Consumer Report listed Mitsubishi Outlander as best small SUV choice for reliability. Honda tops Toyota, but no mention of Rav4, CR-V and Santa Fe...
Read article on http://www.mercurynews.com/drive/ci_7200769
then click on related story "Toyota slips behind rivals..."
  
Wagon/Minivan
Best: Pontiac Vibe, Scion xB
Worst: Chevrolet Uplander, Hyundai Entourage
 
Small SUV
Best: Honda Element, Mitsubishi Outlander
Worst: Dodge Nitro, Jeep Wrangler (four-door)
 
Mid-size SUV
Best: Toyota Highlander, Honda Pilot
Worst: Land Rover Range Rover, Land Rover Range Rover Sport

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