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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

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What is this discussion about? Kia Rondo, Mitsubishi Outlander, Hyundai Santa Fe, Toyota RAV4, Mazda MAZDA5, Car Buying, Wagon


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Re: Crash Tests [bprenderson] by coolmazda5
May 26, 2007 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: bprenderson (May 26, 2007 9:12 am)

Hey Bubba,
 
This is what I gathered for the Mazda5 when we purchased it. Not sure if it is really what you are looking for (i.e. related to insurance), but here we go . In the past I was not very focused on car safety, but now, with family on-board, the view has changed dramatically, so the articles' related information below supported our purchase:
 
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/cr_mazda5.html
 
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.asp?Art_ID=12380
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Re: medicineman... [medicineman] by coolmazda5
May 26, 2007 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: medicineman (May 26, 2007 9:50 am)

Hey medicineman, I'm only a regular in another forum so unless you have different forum profile names I think we have not "met" until now.
 
But now that I'm thinking, Wouldn't that be funny? Following each other around forums to defend/fight our preferences?
 
The thing that comes to mind now is for Mazda and KIA to find us and hire us as sales guys or something. I'm pretty sure that with our arguments around we have sold at least 2 extra Mazda5s and Rondos each...
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Re: medicineman... [medicineman] by waygrabow
May 26, 2007 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: medicineman (May 26, 2007 6:58 am)

Bravo! That is one of the most intelligent comments made on this forum in a long time. Thank you! Like a breath of fresh air!
 
It is all about individual preferences. Isn't it great that we have so many different cars to choose from?
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Re: medicineman... [medicineman] by conwelpic
May 26, 2007 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: medicineman (May 26, 2007 6:58 am)

"I hate how most new cars these days seem to have those tiny streamlined windows at the rear of the vehicle. I want more visibility, not less"
 
you hit the nail on the head with this one. That's what makes the Rondo appear so large inside (along with its lighter interior - can't stand black interiors). I have noticed on so many new cars over the last couple of years where the windows keep getting smaller and smaller, more noticeable in particular the Chrysler vehicles. I sat in some of their newer models at the Toronto Auto Show last February and it felt like I was looking out of "gun slots" - felt very enclosed and turned me right off! More and more manufacturers are creating these higher beltlines, with less and less glass area.
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Re: the Rondo wins! [coolmazda5] by w9cw
May 26, 2007 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (May 26, 2007 5:32 am)

For coolmazda5, the Rondo we have in the USA is the 3rd Generation Kia Carens. The Carens has been quite successful in Europe, hence Kia's decision to offer it in this market. It's not a new car, per se - new to this market yes, but not in other markets. And, since it's a 3rd Generation vehicle, it's well proven and reliable.
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Re: medicineman... [conwelpic] by w9cw
May 26, 2007 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: conwelpic (May 26, 2007 3:02 pm)

There is an structural engineering reason for the higher belt lines, and "vertically-challenged" side windows - it's called side crash worthiness. If you note most of the new cars today have shorter side windows and higher belt lines - this is effectively a requirement to provide improved side crash safety, and penetration resistance.
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Re: the Rondo wins! [w9cw] by coolmazda5
May 27, 2007 (3:22 am)
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Replying to: w9cw (May 26, 2007 5:36 pm)

Thanks for the info w9cw.
 
Yes,also Mazda5 runs under Premacy in Japan and some other Asian countries and has been around for some time already (1999 ?). However the one we purchased is the first model of the 2nd generation (oh man, I hope all this 1st, 2nd yara naming convention makes sense ). Still, knowing the potential trouble of a first model, we took the risk back in 05 as we were really delighted with its design and versatility. And, as said earlier, even with the early recalls (well ironed out by now) the damn car versatility still surprises us (just the other day we managed to fit a full swing set box, when not even the store guys believed us. They said: "no way it will fit, rent a pick up truck". To their surprise, everything fit just fine).
 
As for reliability, wife and baby are the day to day primary driver and passenger and have had zero issues, so it is reliable. Plus, those sliding doors are just plain awesome.
 
I have a silly idea. For all Rondo fans I'll step aside defending the Mazda5 attributes based on my arguments and I'll use my wife's...
 
She is not into brands, models or engines, yet if you ask her what are her thoughts of a Mazda5 and the potential competitors (she just saw a Rondo the other day at the grocery store), Mazda5 wins heads down (top of her list: sliding doors, low height, 5 speed manual transmission, a really economic 4 cylinder engine, 6 CD Player, it does not look like a typical Soccer Mom Car nor an SUV and is an IKEA box carrier compliant car )
 
I rest my case
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Re: the Rondo wins! [coolmazda5] by growwise
May 27, 2007 (5:37 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (May 27, 2007 3:22 am)

Mazda5 needs to grow a few armrests... Rondo needs new design language both inside and out. Best alternative option I believe is a loaded CR-V in beige/black interior. And no.. I am not biased since I own a 07 mitsu outlander XLS thank you.
 
BTW, why is this thread in mitsu forums?
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Re: the Rondo wins! [growwise] by coolmazda5
May 27, 2007 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: growwise (May 27, 2007 5:37 am)

Growwise replied:
"BTW, why is this thread in mitsu forums?"
 
Good question growwise. It seems that this thread has been placed as "shared" among all featured forums for cars listed in the main topic text (Rondo/Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5) so possibly that has caused the noise. I.e. When I logged-in the first time I saw the topic under:
Forums > Vans & Minivans > Mazda Mazda5
 
Then I saw the title and I wondered: Why does the Rondo need to compare against the rest, Shouldn't the Mazda5 be compared against the rest instead? Anyway, I promised to rest my case, but I need to be sitting the computer today, so...
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Re: medicineman... [w9cw] by conwelpic
May 27, 2007 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: w9cw (May 26, 2007 5:46 pm)

There is an structural engineering reason for the higher belt lines, and "vertically-challenged" side windows - it's called side crash worthiness.
 
maybe so, but the Rondo has "normal windows" and it gets 4 and 5 stars for side impact. I think is more of styling gimmick!

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