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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

271 messages,  Last post on Jul 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM

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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [mrs_t] by ateixeira
Jun 02, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: mrs_t (Jun 01, 2008 3:45 pm)

Congrats.
 
The recent powertrain upgrades were significant - EPA mileage is up and it should be as quick if not quicker.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [mrs_t] by bobw3
Jun 02, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: mrs_t (Jun 01, 2008 3:45 pm)

Thanks for answering one of the questions I had...how hot it would get in the 3rd row of the Rondo and Mazda5. It sounds like the 5 is much cooler back there. I'm guessing because the cool air can pass between the 2nd row captain chairs better than between the 2nd row bench of the Rondo.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [bobw3] by mrs_t
Jun 02, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jun 02, 2008 1:49 pm)

Glad to answer your question! I was thinking the same thing which is why dh decided to sit in the back to test it out. He also wanted to compare leg room and comfort. It wasn't even all that hot out... just not as much air circulating all the way in the back. I think it would be even worse if there were people sitting in the middle seats.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [ateixeira] by riproy
Jun 20, 2008 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 02, 2008 7:56 am)

Aside from the 5 speed auto, what are the other powertrain upgrades? I notice the manual trans models have improved ratings too. What is responsible?
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [riproy] by coolmazda5
Jun 21, 2008 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: riproy (Jun 20, 2008 1:01 pm)

Owning an 06 and an 08 I don't see a critical difference (both Manual) but the 08 seems more efficient overall (feels a little bit smoother as well). I'm assuming the improvements are mostly 3 years of engine fine-tuning and PCM enhancements.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [coolmazda5] by ateixeira
Jun 24, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jun 21, 2008 3:56 pm)

Well, it was the automatics that got the major upgrade.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Jun 24, 2008 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 24, 2008 12:41 pm)

Agree, but I was focusing on the 2nd part of the question though:
 
I notice the manual trans models have improved ratings too. What is responsible?
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [coolmazda5] by riproy
Jun 26, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Jun 24, 2008 4:47 pm)

Coolmazda5,
Are the gear ratios the same on both your 5s? One thing i find is that the RPMs are quite high when running at 100kph relative to other 4 cylinder cars i have driven. Leaves me wishing for a 6th gear.
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Re: we tried the Rondo but Mazda5 won out [riproy] by coolmazda5
Jun 26, 2008 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: riproy (Jun 26, 2008 10:41 am)

Yes indeed, they seem high but I don't drive at that speed for long distances. As a matter of fact I like the torque at that RPM range, no need to downshift when going uphill!
 
Now, I remember seeing a post of a person in Denmark with a 6-speed 2.0L Gas (not diesel) Mazda5 and the RPMs were very similar to the 5-speed:
 
6th speed (Manual, Europe, 2.0L): 120km/hr ~3400RPM
5th speed (Manual, NA, 2.3L): 75MPH, ~120km/hr ~3500RPM

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