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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

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What is this discussion about? Kia Rondo, Mitsubishi Outlander, Hyundai Santa Fe, Toyota RAV4, Mazda MAZDA5, Car Buying, Wagon


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Re: Toyota may add a competitor... [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Oct 04, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 04, 2007 11:47 am)

I like the design, More high-end than sporty IMO (i.e. the Mazda5) W/o the 3rd row it will be difficult to justify it as a family car/crossover/Mid Size Mambo Jumbo SUV category I guess (4 seater?). Is it confirmed for North America?
 
Mercedes R350 influence? That 3rd row seat is becoming so popular all 6-7 seaters interiors start looking alike
 
Some pics:
http://www.toyota.jp/markxzio/
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Re: Toyota may add a competitor... [coolmazda5] by ateixeira
Oct 05, 2007 (6:44 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Oct 04, 2007 6:39 pm)

At this point it's just a rumor.
 
The concept that previewed it was nice, but I think it came out looking a bit bland in the end. Toyota should take more risks.
 
Style it better and market it as a Scion.
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Re: Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5 [dnatoday] by jessinpgh
Oct 05, 2007 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: dnatoday (May 18, 2007 4:22 pm)

Fellow Gearhead here. Road raced, wore a TR3, raced at Wilson's Glen (1 step down from Watkin's Glen), Jaguar, MG, Triumph. Motorcycles: Harley, Ducati, Honda.
Okay, creds in. No minivan, suv, crossover or wagon is going to be fun to drive if you think 2 wheeled curves are juicy. Anything in the above category is too tall, too slow in the shift (it's an automatic, man!), too soft in the struts and just not meant for clenching your jaw and praying. Tell your husband from me, you can't double clutch a minivan, but you can keep your wife and kids safe and well transported. Get your husband some sort of used fun-to-drive-something and get the Rondo for your family. You'll never get both in one package.
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Re: Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5 [jessinpgh] by ateixeira
Oct 10, 2007 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: jessinpgh (Oct 05, 2007 7:59 pm)

Sadly, I agree.
 
I searched and searched for a family hauler (7+ passengers) that was sporting and finally gave up and just got a minivan.
 
Even without a price limit, they just get too heavy, and still aren't sporty, no matter how much you spend.
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Re: Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5 [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Oct 10, 2007 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 10, 2007 7:37 am)

Oh come on, you don't have to give up fun when the family grows. If for school buses works... why give up for a minivan or a van?
 
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Re: Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5 [coolmazda5] by ateixeira
Oct 10, 2007 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Oct 10, 2007 9:27 am)

Does it make stops, or do kids have to jump out of a moving bus?
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Re: Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5 [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Oct 10, 2007 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 10, 2007 9:29 am)

. It only stops every 1/4 mile.
 
2 things killed the deal for me: the color and no sliding doors
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Compare by taz16
Oct 13, 2007 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Oct 10, 2007 10:15 am)

Well the Rondo and Mazda5 are both good vehicles. I think the comparasion of them are on point. They are not SUV's hence they do not offer of All Wheel Drive or hig ground clearance but does have room as most small SUV's. The Hyundai Santa Fe is now a midsized ute but priced alittle above compact ute's. Hyundai is really trying for it to compete with midsized not compacts anymore. And then there's the Rav4 and Outlander, good rivals in every aspect but the Outlander does not offer a 4 cylinder engine yet while the Rav4 does. Sorry but for me it seems like the Santa Fe is kinda left out and isolated in this forum, I really think it should be in a Mid SUV comparasion
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Re: Compare [taz16] by gizzer777
Oct 13, 2007 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: taz16 (Oct 13, 2007 3:02 pm)

And there in lies the "beauty" of the model 07 placement IMHO.
 
It is really is its own class of auto vehicle for 07..Not a SUV, Mini UTE,, not too much economy or mid sized, or really about anything else eithe TO FURTHER MAKE MY POINT...MY LAST AUTOS WERE:...04 AUDI A4... .Honda ELEMENT 05(ON A WHIM), 04 MINI COOPER S (heavily MODIFIED) AND FUN, but poor reliability!!! The SF...well as said...just different...AND SO FAR ANYWAY.
 
I also have not developed the need/want to make or ,add changes; My Maturity...I doubt it! I just like ,cars!!!!
 
Still admittedly, I kept an 81 Porsche 911 SC for 13 yrs...yes, I am single and like my toys! Never, should have sold that one!
 
Just returned from a short shopping trip and wondered, if I had to compare this SF to anything comparable . , what would it be? Closest I could come up with was a Outlander (and that seemed more aimed at a Lexus 350 anyway. (BUT MISSED)
 
HOWEVER iT SEEMS quite a bit more refined AND CONSERVATIVE" than the Outlander (imho)IS, THUS (GOODIES ASIDE)...fUNNY, THEY MISSED LOTS OF SMALL STUFF LIKE AN iPOD CONNECTOR AND OPTIONAL hid LIGHTING ETC. eVEN THE ENGINE LAYOUT IS PRETTY WELL PLACED AT THIS POINT IN ITS EVOLUTION
 
I JUST COULD NOT FIND A COMPARABLE ...AND I HAVE DRIVEN MOST OF THE OTHERS. Funny, was not even attracted to the 06 and prior...THE KOREANS HAVE STUDIED WHAT THE AMERICANS wanted,and in a very short time span (1 generation?)re liability AND LONGEVITY,...YET OTHER FACTOR(S)TO BE WATCHED CLOSELY.
 
HYUNDAI SEEMS TO HAVE ANTICIPATED MY NEEDS HERE QUITE WELL
 
fROM A PRICE, PERFORMANCE, VALUE, LOOKS, practical...IT REALLY HAS I get lots of "what was that thing anyway looks with it!"DONE THE OTHERS QUITE A BIT BETTER."
 
Auto buying is about needs and compromises...there are not many compromises to be found from my perspective. The missed just a few items that people would want (Now to get rid if the name...HYUNDAI...Sigh...I guess that will come too
 
But if everyone thought that, the SF would be a lot more popular than it is. 2008 should be a very interesting year for the SF. If you see a "spike" in sales, they did it properly...if not, I guessed wrong. By this time I usually begin to tire of a car...so far, not hhis one
 
 All vehicles have their high and low points and the SF certainly has it own...Just can't come up with any major ones for now. If they are smart, they will take their learnings and continue to refine to more of a degree than even the Japanese have done!fOR $30K, I WOULD BE A BIT HARDER PRESSED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT!!!!(MINE IS A SUB 25K se MODEL. aNOTHER THING WAS THAT I THINK i WOULD HAVE TIRED A BIT OF THEN gls MODEL BY NOW (i AM COMPULSIVE TOO)THE SE JUST SEEMS TO FILL THAT GAP BETWEEN THE LIMITED AND gls AS WELL!
 
I MAY EVEN KEEP THIS ONE FOR A WHILE! assuming we still have gasoline to ,run em!
 
Maybe that is why I was so attracted to it back in Feb when I bought one...weaknesses sure...but find a bunch like others have...not a car, van, wagon, SUV or about anything else you can come up with!
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Rondo/Mazda5 by joe97
Oct 13, 2007 (4:39 pm)
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Looks like Rondo is really taking off for Kia in the mini-MPV class. While I can attest to both are fantastic, practical vehicles, but from what I hear, the sliding doors have been working against the Mazda5. If that is in fact the case, then the crossover market is really taking off, at the expense of SUV and conventional minivan.

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