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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

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photos with people inside? by bobw3
Sep 12, 2007 (8:38 am)
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Does anyone know of any sites with photos of these cars with people sitting in all of the seats. This would provide a better reference to their interior size. Or do some owners have such photos?
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Re: photos with people inside? [bobw3] by ateixeira
Sep 12, 2007 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Sep 12, 2007 8:38 am)

The manufacturers got smart - they use very petite models to make the cars seem roomier than they are!
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Re: SUV [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Sep 12, 2007 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 12, 2007 7:23 am)

Yikes, yeah. www.saturn.com or any of the car web sites have this comparison tool thingie I believe...
 
VUE, Mazda5, Rondo, in that order:
Curb Weight Automatic (lbs): 3825 3389 3333
 
The rest (note my copy-n-paste disclaimer ):
Length (inches) 180.1 181.5 179.0
Width (inches) 72.8 69.1 71.7
Wheelbase (inches) 106.6 108.3 106.3
Height (inches) 67.0 64.2 65.0
Front Head Room (inches) 40.2 38.9 41.6
Rear Head Room (inches) 39.3 39.2 40.2
Front Leg Room (inches) 40.7 40.7 41.3
Rear Leg Room (inches) 36.9 35.2 38.2
Cargo Volume (Manufacturer) -cubic feet 29.2 44.4 31.7
 
Hmmm, I like that last Cargo Volume number
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Re: SUV [coolmazda5] by ateixeira
Sep 12, 2007 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Sep 12, 2007 9:35 am)

Yeah, ~500 lbs or so. Part of that may be the AWD though.
 
Rondo seems to be the most space efficient, at least for passengers.
 
Mazda5 seems to fit the most gear.
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Re: photos with people inside? [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Sep 12, 2007 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 12, 2007 8:48 am)

The manufacturers got smart - they use very petite models to make the cars seem roomier than they are!
 
True. My silly thought is that it also has to do with where the car is designed (i.e. Japan) even if they sell globally.
 
No offense to my fellow Japanese mates, but the average population height is lower over there than in many other parts of the World. My 2 Japanese designed cars have to have the driver's seat on its last position when I drive, and I'm not really that tall. I have also owned compact American designed cars, and there is plenty of legroom plus more seat positions to go back if needed (at least for the front seats)
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Re: photos with people inside? [coolmazda5] by ateixeira
Sep 12, 2007 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Sep 12, 2007 9:59 am)

Even here, most models are size 0 or 2.
 
Show me a size 10, or better yet, an NFL linebacker!
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Re: SUV [ateixeira] by conwelpic
Sep 12, 2007 (2:32 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 12, 2007 9:40 am)

Based on the Canadian manufacturers site:
 
The Vue weight of 3825 is with the 4 cyl and FWD and auto
The Mazda 5 with auto is 3415 lbs. The reviews I've read so far on the Vue all state its a very heavy vehicle, so how this would effect mileage is not clear as the mfg site does yet state mileage figures.
 
On storage:
Behind the front seats:
Vue - 54.3 cu.ft.
Rondo - 73.4 cu.ft.
Mazda 5 - 30.3 cu.ft. (believe it or not that's what the site says (they actually say it as metric - 857 litres), not sure how they measure it, but I have actually measured the length from the back door to the front seats in the rear position and its 5" shorter than the Rondo. So in all fairness its got to be close to double what they claim. Don't all manufacturers measure the same? It seems like Mazda is not giving themselves full credit in this area. The 44.4 on the US site does not state where they are measuring it, it just says cargo volume?)
 
Behind the 2nd seat:
Vue - 26.5 cu.ft. (752 litres)
Rondo - 31.7 cu.ft. (898 litres)
Mazda 5 - 15.1 cu.ft (426 litres)
 
behind the 3rd seat in the Mazda and Rondo is almost non-existent, but I don't think the VUE has a 3rd seat.
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Re: SUV [conwelpic] by coolmazda5
Sep 12, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: conwelpic (Sep 12, 2007 2:32 pm)

How manufacturers measure stuff is so confusing. I usually focus in more factual down to earth measurements :
 

 

 
behind the 3rd seat in the Mazda and Rondo is almost non-existent
 
Agree, it is tight when having a full house. There is just enough space for a stroller or so:
 

 

 
I don't think the VUE has a 3rd seat
 
Yes, no VUE 3rd seat for NA . Here is the context on why the VUE type "model" with the 3rd seat came into the topic:
coolmazda5, "Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5" #172, 3 Sep 2007 5:21 pm
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Re: SUV [conwelpic] by ateixeira
Sep 14, 2007 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: conwelpic (Sep 12, 2007 2:32 pm)

True, true.
 
That's a big stroller. We had an Evenflo on-my-way that was sized like that. The infant carrier snapped in.
 
Test-fitting them in the car you're buying is important.
 
I remember my Forester could fit the stroller length-wise behind the 2nd row, and the RAV4 and CR-V could not. You had to put the stroller in width-wise. That meant it took up the whole cargo floor, so you'd have to stack stuff up.
 
I bought the Forester.
 
Nowadays I have a van, but we have the opposite issue - it's too BIG! You have to tie things down so they don't roll around!
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Re: SUV [ateixeira] by coolmazda5
Sep 14, 2007 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 14, 2007 6:31 am)

Forester and Legacy, nice Subarus! I was enthusiastic about a Legacy when shopping around for the Mazda5 but the back seat is terrible for riding with babies on a car seat. The Mazda5 is great in that sense (the sliding door is funky but damn useful, no hunching nor space trouble when fastening baby seat harnesses/commuting with a baby).
 
Yes, a big stroller, I agree. I have done what is in the picture only 2-3 times since I bought the car 2+ yrs ago (5 adults, 1 baby on car seat) but usually the 3rd row is not used and is folded. The seat is not really pressing hard against the stroller but is soooo tight in there (and the wheels are very close to the heads of the lucky ones riding in the 3rd row ).
 
When using the 2 row seat mode the stroller fits both ways, length and wide-wise (length-wise it does not leave an inch left around the liftgate ) so it has worked well for our case.
 
When we bought the Mazda5 my wife actually measured around, but not for baby stuff, she checked if it was IKEA box fit compliant, and it is. That was not a deal breaker of course, but the CR-V we test drove did not pass that "test"
 
As per the van, if we ever get "upgraded" to more than 2 kids, yes, definitely it is best. Mazda5 would be extremely tight IMO.

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