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Hybrid Vehicles Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon Hybrid Article Comments - 2008 Chevrolet Tahoe First Drive and Follow-Up Test
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Article comments for First Drive: 2008 Chevrolet Tahoe Two-Mode Hybrid - Two-mode hybrids aren't exactly new. GM has had the two-mode hybrid system working in transit buses since 2003. Today, about 700 of those buses are operating in 60 cities in North America and have just been introduced in Europe. (more)
Follow-Up Test: 2008 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid - Bottom Line: It's better, but whether it's $9,100 better is up to you. (more)
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Replying to: rsrtampaa3 (May 14, 2007 4:36 am) The only reason GM is putting its Hybrid technology in it's SU-Blunders is to convince people that they're not SO bad and you dont have to feel HORRIBLE for ruining the air your kids will breath in the future, just maybe a teeny bit bad. SUV's are a fact of life in our society now. Do they use more fuel, Yes they do. Do they pollute more, Yes. However for those that need an SUV not having a fuel efficient option is grossly wasteful. But moving from an ICE Yukon to a hybrid version likely will save the same amount of fuel as going from a ICE Camry to a hybrid Camry; from an ICE Escape to an FEH; from an ICE Civic to an HCH. Each 'conversion' saves about 170-200 gal of gas per annually. |
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Replying to: ledfoot1 (May 14, 2007 11:44 am) I think that there is a 'confluence of interests' here from parties on opposite sides of most issues. Parties A: Reduce dependence on 'international fossil fuels' Parties B: Reduece the effects of burning fossil fuels as an environmental concern. Parties C: Save money. In this particular issue all three parties benefit by the government encouraging ( by tax incentives ) the use of hybrids or more efficient fuel systems. |
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| Does anyone know the timeline for the arrival of the Volkswagon Tiguan Diesel (2008); When do their new models usually arrive in the USA? | |
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I love the idea of the new Hybrid Tahoe. I drive a 2003 Avalanche and am excited that GM has decided to make a full size SUV Hybrid. What I don't understand is why they are using a 6.0 liter engine in the hybrid rather than the 5.3 liter in the non-hybrid. Yes the 6.0L is aluminim and saves weight, but why not use a 5.3 or 4.8 liter aluminum blocked engine. And over 300 horsepower? What is the point? If the hp rating were reduced to 260, which is still plenty for this vehicle (after all, it's a hybrid and supposed to get great mileage not win quarter mile acceleration test), you would have a winner because the mileage could be much better. I guess I don't understand the horsepower wars. In the late 70s and 80s, 200 hp was plenty (granted those half-ton trucks weighed considerably less). Come on GM and use a reasonable engine (maybe even a V6 or your inline 5-cylinder) and get a usable and great mileage vehicle. The 285hp in my 03 Avalanche has been plenty even when towing heavy loads. Give me a Hybrid Avalanche/Tahoe/Suburban with a V6 or inline-5 that gets better highway mileage and not just better city mileage and we will buy. Don't stay caught up in the unfortunate "horsepower wars" that manufactures love so much. Gear your hybrid toward better mileage rather than worrying about it still accelerating like the non-hybrid Tahoe. If I wanted that, I'd buy that. Make a hybrid that holds to the original spirit of a hybrid. Good mileage.
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Let's all keep in mind that diesel costs MORE than gasoline currently. At least in the midwest and northwest. $.40 more a gallon. Better mileage is offset by higher price per gallon. Same as driving a gas vehicle with higher compression that requires premium fuel rather than regular. They get better mileage and better performance, but at the cost of an extra $.20 per gallon. Just factor that in when comparing gas mileage between vehicles. On a side note, diesel costing more than gasoline is crazy. It is refined less and therefore much cheaper to 'make'. It always used to be cheaper than gasoline (and more efficient). Now that it's more expensive (due to demand?), that is a hurtle worth considering when comparing mileage, etc. |
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Replying to: chadx (Aug 02, 2007 11:30 am) I agree with you. They should go for the mileage not the 0-60 times with the hybrids. If you look at Toyota the leader of the hybrid pack. Four out of six hybrids are built for performance. Only two for good mileage. I think it destroys the whole idea of being environmentally astute. Why give folks that want to race and waste gas a false green image? |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 02, 2007 3:54 pm) Is that to just be ignored? |
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 03, 2007 6:13 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 03, 2007 6:13 am) I like performance as much as the next person but when the majority of hybrid advertisements are geared more around "same performance as non-hybrid" or, like my response from GM when I asked a few questions about the Tahoe hybrid "great 0-60 times", I am left only to say "Who cares!" I, like most, would give up a bit of performance for better gas mileage. I'd do that with my current 2003 Avalanche. It 'only' made 285hp. The current line-up has 300 - 330hp and, gets the same or a little worse gas mileage as my truck. If the technological advancements (variable valvetrain, etc) would have been used to increase mileage rather than performance, the mpg would probably be similar to their new hybrid Tahoe. When I bought my truck, the 5.3liter was the smallest engine available. I tow occasionally and must say I've never been left wanting for hp. How often do people actually drive Wide Open Throttle (WOT)? Which is what is necessary to hit the RPM that achieves max hp rating anyway. Think of how many times you drive WOT in a month. More than 5 or 10? Probably not. And if so, then you probably don't care about a hybrid and/or mileage anyway. It's sad that consumers demand (as shown by their buying power) more hp and performance, yet then they complain about gas mileage and prices. Manufactures would focus more on mileage rather than power if that is what people bought. But they sell so few of their models with the smallest, least powerful but best mileage engines, that they keep cranking out higher and higher hp engines. We, the consumer, send mixed signals.
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Replying to: chadx (Aug 04, 2007 3:24 pm) To me it is just as hypocritical to try and look green in a high powered performance car as someone that flies around in a private jet. Then they hand out fluorescent bulbs to cover up their carbon foot prints. I think GM should have used a 6 cylinder diesel in their new hybrids. They could have blown the competition out the window. Let Toyota build the gas guzzling hybrids.
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