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Re: CXL Lease Quote: Thanks, but NO THANKS [dammitjim1]
by bondguy1
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Mar 13, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: dammitjim1 (Mar 13, 2008 6:42 am)
Correct. I couldn't agree more. I am also going to look at the CX9 (by the way, Motor Trends SUV of the year, not Buick). And, the Buick doesn't have a lot of the available options that are available on Audi...voice command for NAV, Radio, Telephone. Buick Enclave doesn't offer Bluetooth built-in to their vehicle. Satellite Radio (Sirius) is standard on Audi (you get a few months free and then pay for subscription...but it isn't standard on Buick). The Buick has the Xenon headlamps but if you want the ones that go side to side, you have to get an extra package. Keyless entry isn't even available on the Buick...on Audi, just touch the door handle, keep the key in your pocket (any of the four doors or trunk) and the door opens. Push a button inside the car and it starts or stops. If the Buick claims to be the ultimate in SUV luxury, why did they omit some of these features or at least why didn't they offer them as optional? Oh, Audi also has available a warning if you change lanes unintentionally...as if you are tired and doze off or looking down for a second...a great safety feature.
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Re: CXL Lease Quote: Thanks, but NO THANKS [bondguy1]
by dammitjim1
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Mar 14, 2008 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: bondguy1 (Mar 13, 2008 5:19 pm)
Agreed, those are great features to have. I understand that the Lambda class CUV's, particularly the Buick are hot right now, I just don't see the strategy behind the exceedingly poor lease support. I remember the so-called "triplets" ( Envoy/Trailblazer/Bravada) were also hot when they first came out as well, but they were reasonably discounted and had fairly attractive lease rates. The pricing on these vehicles seems designed to discourage people from leasing. GM, particularly Buick, just doesn't have the track record to play in $600+/month lease territory
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Good Lease Deal?
by hoalawyer
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Mar 17, 2008 (1:44 pm)
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i recently had this offer for an enclave cxl, loaded, entertainment package 4, dual sunroof, luxury package, driver confidence package and chrome package:
2500 down (total out of pocket - taxes, fees, etc.)
36 mo.
15k miles
dealer to pay my last month lease payment ($459) and lease return fee on my current car
$650/mo.
From those who know - is this a deal, or no deal?
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Re: Good Lease Deal? [hoalawyer]
by dammitjim1
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Mar 17, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: hoalawyer (Mar 17, 2008 1:44 pm)
What was the buy price of the car around which the lease price was structured? Also, I seriously doubt that the dealer is just paying of the rest of your previous lease. You can safely assume that it would be rolled into the Buick lease somehow.
I think the lease price is too high, indicative of poor lease support by GM on the entire class of Lambda vehicles. You could be driving an Audi for that kind of money.
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Re: Good Lease Deal? [dammitjim1]
by hoalawyer
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Mar 17, 2008 (2:02 pm)
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Replying to: dammitjim1 (Mar 17, 2008 1:53 pm)
The buy price was around $43,500. I am also trying to work w/an Audi dealer on a quote for a Q7. They sent me an e-mail after I sent in inquiry telling me they are running a special re sales and leases at $500 below invoice. But what about the dvd player for the kids? No package for that w/Audi!
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Re: Good Lease Deal? [hoalawyer]
by dammitjim1
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Mar 17, 2008 (3:09 pm)
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Replying to: hoalawyer (Mar 17, 2008 2:02 pm)
Get them portable DVD players they can hold in their laps...cheaper, and they can watch their own movies with no fights. The deal you're exploring with the Audi looks interesting...on LI, you can lease a Q7 w/sunroof for under $500/month, though the initial out of pocket costs would be higher than with the Buick. I still can't see what strategy GM has with the really poor lease support, unless they are actively trying to discourage leasing these vehicles. To me, there is just something fundamentally wrong with paying $650/month to lease a Buick.
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Re: Good Lease Deal? [dammitjim1]
by kcorey
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Mar 18, 2008 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: dammitjim1 (Mar 17, 2008 3:09 pm)
I just don't understand why you would put an Enclave (Buick) into the same class as an Audi (Volkswagen). If you want an Audi (for whatever it's worth) then just get one. It's a lot better to shop for the vehicle (and options on it) that you want,and then bargain for the price, then to say "Oh...I could get, whatever...for that price! A fully loaded car may be great, if that's what you need/want. Don't just buy one because it seems like a good deal. Generally speaking, you'll end up overbuying, and overpaying! Buy what you need!
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Re: Good Lease Deal? [kcorey]
by dammitjim1
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Mar 18, 2008 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: kcorey (Mar 18, 2008 9:44 am)
It wasn't my intent to put Buick in the same class as Audi - the point is that because of poor GMAC lease support on the Buick (and Acadia/Outlook), these vehicles lease in the same price range as Audi. The lease rates are unfavorable even in comparison with other GM vehicles. I am in a lease right now on a fully loaded Z71 Tahoe, with a higher MSRP. Because of better lease support and dealer willing to discount, I am paying substantially less than $500/month on that vehicle. If the same programs were available for the Enclave, I'd be at the dealer today ready to sign the lease. As it is, $600+/month with a hefty drive off cost to boot is just a non-starter.
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Is This A Good Deal
by bondguy1
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Mar 22, 2008 (10:03 pm)
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Allright...I know I was comparing the Enclave to Audi and price for a lease was crazy high for the Enclave but I think I found a great deal and now am thinking about the Enclave again. The Q7 by Audi is stodgy looking and although not all the same bells and whistles as the Q7, the Enclave is a fresh design and nice looking inside as well as out. Here's the details and let me know if this seems like a good deal I was offered:
2008 Enclave CXL AWD
19" Chrome Alloy Wheels
Chrome Package
Power Sunroof w/ Second Row Sunlight
Luxury Pkg.
Driver Confidence Pkg.
Cargo Net
Cargo Shade
Entertainment Pkg #3 (NAV and all the good stuff but no DVD player)
Above Pkg has the Bose stereo but not the 5.1 system (not sure if that matters that much soundwise)
Black Metallic Paint
Ebony Leather inside
39 month lease, total at start to dealer including 1st month is $1,000, 15K miles annually with .15c mile over---payments of $660/month plus tax= $699 including tax
First of all, is this a good price for this lease...including the $735 destination charge, this vehicle stickers for $43,925. I can do 36 month lease with same parameters for $725/month including tax (not sure if this is a better deal or not).
Any and all help appreciated...looking to do this soon. Thanks in advance.
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Enclave Q7 R350
by vtraudt
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Mar 23, 2008 (5:20 am)
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"Allright...I know I was comparing the Enclave to Audi and price for a lease was crazy high for the Enclave but I think I found a great deal and now am thinking about the Enclave again. The Q7 by Audi is stodgy looking and although not all the same bells and whistles as the Q7, the Enclave is a fresh design and nice looking inside as well as out."
There similar statements (argueing for or against Enclave vs. Premium Cars).
GM gets away with low discounts (buy), high financial cost (money factor, interest rate; lease) because: demand is high!
As long as everyone seems to want it, the cost of ownership will remain high.
What makes things worse (for leasing) is a (likely) low residual value.
So yes: currently, you get easily 5000 to 10000 dollar "more car" at Audi and MB until the Encleave craze is over. But you can save some big bucks already by buying the virtually same Saturn or GMC; I bet GM is offering much better deals on those.
Volker
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